New campus organization of 9/11 ‘truthers’ is misinformed
New campus organization of 9/11 ‘truthers’ is misinformed
May 2, 2012
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On Sept. 11, 2001, this country changed forever.
There’s no overstating it. It’s the day that bumped George W. Bush’s approval rating above 90 percent, the day that united our country in a display of patriotism not seen since World War II.
Sept. 11 shifted our nation’s domestic and foreign policy permanently, and was responsible for starting a War on Terror that is still deploying thousands of young men and women.
Ten years later, we’re still trying to understand what happened that day.
And from this lack of understanding comes confusion.
As many know, there exists a noteworthy movement that claims the events of 9/11 were an “inside job” — a purposeful act orchestrated by our government and special interest groups designed, depending on who you ask, to increase oil revenues or seize foreign lands, among other claims.
These so-called “truthers” have arrived at UW-Eau Claire.
On Monday night the Student Senate unanimously approved the constitution for a new student organization — Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: College Outreach Team.
According to the organization’s parent website, their mission is to “research, compile, and disseminate scientific evidence relative to the destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, calling for a truly open and independent investigation.”
A disclaimer: I’ve lived in Wisconsin all my life. I didn’t know anyone involved in the 9/11 attacks. I’m not an engineer or an architect. But I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for.
To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.
It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day, and it’s offensive to Americans who, naively or not, exercise a degree of faith in those who lead them.
Defaming this tragedy by dragging everyone involved in it through the dirt is a tragedy in and of itself.
But as strongly as I’m opposed to this organization’s intentions, I feel even more strongly about something else — our nation’s First Amendment. There’s no law, thankfully, that prohibits this College Outreach Team from existing.
They are free to organize here and use student fees here and spread their message here. That message — no matter how much I personally disagree with it — is protected by law. I respect that right, and when this organization becomes active on campus, I urge you to respect it as well.
I happened to be in New York City this January, and had the privilege to visit the 9/11 Memorial at Ground Zero. There are nearly 3,000 names etched into stone, shaped to mimic the foundations of the original World Trade Center, now filled with water that flows continuously throughout.
In busy New York City, in the middle of the work day, this small patch of ground was silent, as people simply remembered.
No matter your position on how the events that day unfolded, it’s important that we remember: that we remember those whose lives were lost, that we remember everyday people who ran into burning wreckage without a second thought, and that we remember the constitution that defends our right to make our opinions known.
So long as we remember, this country will continue to be the great one it is today.
Mr. Kust
You stated above, “But I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for.” That says a lot.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is a non-profit organization of more than 1,600 architectural and engineering professionals who believe that the laws of physics apply every day. Our architect and engineer petition signers have been verified and vetted. As part of the process they have made statements that they have examined the destruction of the three World Trade Center high-rises on 9/11 and they agree with comprehensive scientific evidence that clearly indicates that the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 was not adequately explained by the official theories outlined in the 2002 FEMA and 2005/2008 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) reports. These technical and building professionals are calling for a new, fully funded, truly independent and unimpeachable investigation. We maintain an exclusive focus on these three skyscrapers and do not address areas outside of our expertise such as motives.
Because AE911Truth insists, only, that the laws of physics applies every day, what specifically are you “vehemently opposed” to? By the way, I am a licensed professional engineer.
Hear,hear .
Hello Mr. Kust,
I urge you to review this 15 minute production about the collapse of WTC7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Please pay particular attention to the family members who support the AE911Truth.org call for a new investigation.
The family members deserve to know the truth. Please reconsider your statement:
“It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day…”
Were you aware that it was the family members who lobbied Congress to form the 9/11 Commission? Were you aware that they were thoroughly dissatisfied with the Report? I urge you to review this very important documentary–PRESS FOR TRUTH:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-press-for-truth/
Thank you very much.
This article demonstrates primarily, alas, a baffling ignorance by the editors who let it through. I just publicly challenged them (http://www.global-platonic-theater.com/Censors,%20Handling/Challenging%20on%20Baby%20Step/uwec%20spectator.htm) to refute the elementary conspiracy class of http://www.911babystep.com.
Love,
My original comment has not appeared, has been deleted, so will try again.
This article represents the typical response that the perpetrators of the 9/11 myth use: to deny the possibility of explosives with the question a question “how our government could be so evil” as to allow or to participate is such a murder? Just as if this question will change the data,; they then go on to dismiss the findings as being “offensive”. Facts are offensive????
I’ll tell you what is offensive: it is the editorial policy to print such garbage in a college paper. If there is any doubt about our educational system, who controls it and for whom it is to benefit, here is a good example of the propaganda machine running free to protect this lie.
It is not ignorance that produces this stuff, it is malice, it is intentional dissuasion from facts to emotional fantasy. We know for sure that explosive planted in the WTC caused the collapse. We know that NIST has lied and covers-up. We know that Congress covers up. We know that real patriots will not surrender their freedom to liars who murder for power. Machiavelli tells us that if deception and murder are used to gain power, once it is gained, these people do not become nice people. We will resist them, we will remove them, we will restore a free press, a free people, and an honest government in an honorable nation.
Dear Idealist,
Your attack and Insults towards the 9-11 Truth movement and the new, officially sanctioned University of Wisconsin – Eau Claire, on-campus 9-11 Studies student-organization, as confused and misinformed, is weak journalism – if it’s journalism at all. I can say with all confidence, based on your article, that anyone in the 9-11 Truth movement, even if for just one day, is more informed in regards to the attacks on 9-11 than you. By the end of these comments we will know who is the confused-one.
I commend the courageous students of the new on-campus 9-11 studies student-organization. Your search for the truth is a bold action not often enough seen in college students today. I further commend you for your ability to think for yourself, to apply critical-thinking, and to come to your own conclusions. I encourage you not to let the weak-minded discourage you.
When I say the “weak-minded,” I am referring to those persons un-educated in regards to the 9-11 Truth movements evidence, beliefs and ideas, or those who will attack the 9-11 Truth movement out-of-hand without applying critical-thought to our evidence or the events at the World Trade Center on 9-11. I am referring as well, to those among you who have not looked at the evidence of what happened at the World Trade Center on 9-11, but have formed a conclusion based on what they are told to believe, blindly following the powers-that-be. It is a critical-thinking problem on their part.
Your arrogant and ignorant contemporaries, who have not looked at the evidence of the WTC tower implosions by controlled demolition, will mock you and call you a misinformed and confused 9-11 “truther”. I too am a “9-11 truther”. If we weren’t 9-11 truthers – well, then we’d be 9-11 liars, wouldn’t we? In actuality, that’s what our detractors are; liars – whether know it or not.
These unquestioning baby-fascists feel like they are knowledgeable enough to spew the official party-line, but are too lazy-minded to ever look at a shred of evidence, putting no critical thought to the events of 9-11. They are mentally lazy and easily swayed by propaganda. They are the true enemies of freedom and liberty, along with the authoritarian fascist-elite (.01 of the 1%er’s) who spread the lies about the events of 9-11.
Breaking the will of the people in their search for the truth is the chief objective of the authoritarian-elite and their minions, who blindly accept their mission to spread the lies, not knowing what they are doing. These minions are in a zombie-type state of mind repeating what they hear from others, unable to form their own conclusions.
Since 9-11, the authoritarian elite have attacked the will of the American people with a fascist-ferocity of a daily propaganda-missile to the brain through the complicit mainstream media, as well as assaulting our freedom and liberty via the patriot act.
The modern media is not journalism (neither is the student-author’s article, which is nothing more than a regurgitation of talking points that he heard someone else say). It is a violent assault on the mind. It is more deadly than a gulag. No need for imprisonment in a gulag for re-education, you are a prisoner in all your life, chained to your multimedia devices that spoon-feed you the dis-information of the fascist regime. The disinformation spewed by mainstream media is a violent assault directed at the defenseless psyche of the weak-minded viewer and reader.
Truthers, the arrogant and ignorant among your contemporaries, who speak against your courageous search for the truth, will one day fit nicely with these fascists. Try to educate them to save themselves from themselves and to stop them from joining the dis-information war. There is an info-war going on. The war is for total ownership of your mind. Learn more at:
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.tv
Under the stress of psychological warfare, individuals can do on or the other; submit and accept the government’s version of reality, or they fiercely resist with great mental force. This is the history of the struggle against tyranny.
Accepting the official version of the 9-11 events without critical thought or investigation of the evidence is an admission of mental submission – the acceptance of their weak mind. Only mental resistance can deny the government the power to enslave a mind.
Engaging in the mental resistance against the psychological machinery of totalitarian, fascist state-power is crucial if we want to restore our freedom, our liberty, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law of the constitution that has been stolen from us through the Patriot Act.
Make no mistake – the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) effectively suspends habeas corpus and according to the NDAA the government can kill you without a trial. The fascist regime has declared the U.S. as a battlefield in the pseudo-war against terror making what’s left of the Bill of Rights worthless.
The fascists are waiting for a civil emergency (likely, another false-flag) to announce the fact that we are under martial-law. We’ve been under martial-law since 9-11. They haven’t said so, but the Patriot Act makes it so and the NDAA takes away any doubt.
The danger is not in telling the truth and being mocked by the envious arrogant and ignorant, or even silenced by the thought police. The danger is in believing the lies, thus helping the fascists to enslave the truth-seekers and the truth speakers. In the battle between lies and death – versus – truth and life, the only sane choice is to be on the side of truth and life. And guess what? Truth has always won throughout the history of man-kind. That’s how we have survived this long. That’s why seeking and finding the truth is paramount if you want to live a long, happy, prosperous life filled with freedom and liberty.
When one recognizes that they are being lied to about who are the true perpetrators of a crime against them, one need only look at who benefited most from the crime to find the truth. So, who benefited from the following 9-11 facts?
The Patriot Act: The fascist regime.
The Afghanistan and Iraq wars: for the benefit of those in the military industrial-complex who profit from perpetual war or the “forever war” as they call the pseudo war-on-terror. This is now goes on forever; a lucrative proposition for these war-mongers.
The obsolete and aged WTC towers: have been razed for the owners who were facing a multi-million dollar price tag to eliminate the asbestos problem in the towers or close them down, or face potential financially devastating lawsuits.
The owners of the WTC towers – in particular building number 7: who, in the months before 9-11 insured the buildings against terrorism and received multimillion dollar insurance settlements after 9-11.
Those who knew ahead of time and profited by shorting airline stock: The Justice Department has been asked to track these people, a doable task, but the powers-that-be refuse. Apparently, AG Holder is too busy fast and furiously selling guns to drug gangs in Mexico.
These few examples of the beneficiaries of 9-11 are all indisputable fact. The only winners from the 9-11 attacks it seems are the elite insiders. Al Qaeda or the Taliban sure didn’t benefit. They got cruise missiles and bunker- buster shoved-up their keisters. What does that tell you?
The author of the article that I’m responding to writes:
“….to imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed (And power – me) that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.” (Give me a break. How naively uniformed can a want-to-be journalist be)
It is sad that this, I assume a want-to-be journalist, is not willing to do the work to find out just how easily the ruling elite are willing to sacrifice your life or the life of many. Apparently, the author has not looked at the lies behind the Tonken Gulf Resolution that justified the escalation of the Viet Nam war and killed 50,000 boys and men.
In 1964, the Tonken Golf Resolution was a false-flag operation perpetrated by the Johnson administration that created the lie that an American PT boat was attacked by the Vietnamese. This lie was used to escalate the war. A war the American people did not want, so they had to create a false-flag to convince America to go to war in Viet Nam. (Hum, I wonder if the American people would have supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars without 9-11. Very interesting – what do you think?) The Tonken Gulf lie cost 50,000 American boys and men their lives. This false-flag lie is a criminal act perpetrated by the U.S. government on its own citizens costing 50,000 innocent lives. This is not someone’s interpretation of events. This is agreed upon, by historians of all world-views, as historical fact.
In that same war, the CIA waged an illegal clandestine war in Cambodia murdering thousands – perhaps 10’s of thousands. Read the Pentagon Papers for the truth.
How about the million-plus Iraqi’s killed in “the lies-about-WMD’s” war in Iraq, and what was it, 6 or 8 thousand U.S. boys and men? For what purpose – WAR PROFITS AND EMPIRE AMBITIONS – nothing else. These were wars of choice not necessity that would not have happened if not for 9-11. The American people would not have supported the wars “without a new pearl harbor” (In “quotes” from the Project for a New American Century [PNAC]; principles- Cheney – Rumsfeld – Pearl – Wolfowitz – et al neo-cons.
So, I don’t want to hear about your naive – more likely your pseudo-feelings of being offended by 9-11 truth presenting clear and convincing evidence that rouge-elements within our government murdered nearly 3000 people on 9-11.
Want to see more about how “low” these fascists have “stooped.” Visit this website:
http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp_basic_stats.htm
For an explanation of the physics at work at the WTC towers on 9-11, visit:
http://physics911.net/
Members of the 9-11 studies student-group – keep up your courageous, heroic efforts to find the truth. There are plenty of true patriots with you and our numbers are growing and our traction gets stronger every day.
The rest of you – WAKE-UP!!! And help them!!! We’re losing our country!!!
“Defaming this tragedy by dragging everyone involved in it through the dirt is a tragedy in and of itself.”
“Everyone involved in it” would include the hijackers, the planners, etc. according to the official story. Raise your hand if you think those people don’t deserve something more than being dragged through the dirt.
“Ten years later, we’re still trying to understand what happened that day.”
Apparently some of us are trying harder than others — and having more success.
The uncritical thinking behind this editorial is disturbing to see in someone who is apparently attending an institution of higher learning. I hope I never have to go inside a building designed by Mr. Kust, or have children who get taught by him in school. However, he does exhibit habits of thought that would suit him well for a career in government or the media.
WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
Rapid onset of collapse
Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building’s destruction
Symmetrical “structural failure” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
Foreknowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
In the aftermath of WTC7’s destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples
WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
Slow onset with large visible deformations
Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed.
The Twin Towers’ destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
Extremely rapid onset of destruction
Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
1200-foot-diameter debris field: no “pancaked” floors found
Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
Slow onset with large visible deformations
Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed — including in the case of a 1975 fire in the North Tower.
Mr. Kust, respect can best be shown to the dead and to their survivors by demanding full and honest investigations. The 9/11 widows gave 300 questions to the 9/11 Commission, and were told that these would serve as a road map for the investigation. When the report was issued, they checked and found that only 27 of their questions had been adequately answered.
http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php
Sadly, I’m afraid that the next false flag will be undertaken long before the people of America wake up to the reality of this one. And the next one will be the one that plunges us into complete government control. Keep fighting the good fight AE911!
Dear moderator or editor,
In the spirit of campus diversity, and to promote tolerance for another’s point of view, their values and beliefs; and in support of an officially sanctioned student-organization, I ask this question; why, does the author of the article regarding the new 9-11 Studies on-campus student-organization think he can insult their point-of-view, their beliefs, ideas or values i.e. calling, the 9-11 truth movement’s and the new 9-11 Studies student-organization’s ideas, beliefs, and point of view, confused and misinformed. These insults towards the 9-11 Truth movement and the new on-campus, officially sanctioned 9-11 Studies student-organization are no different than showing intolerance towards race, nationality, gender, philosophical, and religious ideas, beliefs, values, etc.
Never, have I seen in a college newspaper, that when announcing a new student-organization, that organizations purpose, Idea’s or point-of-view attacked and insulted.
What about the Spectator allowing the insults and intolerance of another’s ideas, values or beliefs to be published? Then, when I post comments in response to this article taking him to task for his ignorance of the 9-11 truth movement, its evidence, its conclusions, and insulting our ideas, beliefs, and point-of-view, and challenge his journalistic skills, the moderator refuses to post my comments. (At least I haven’t seen my comments connected to the article.)
Yeah, I was hard on the articles author, calling a spade a spade. If it acts like a duck – walks like a duck – sounds like a duck, I’m going to call it what it is i.e. a duck. Where is my first amendment right to defend my point of view, my ideas, my values, or my beliefs?
The author of the article is not just insulting and attacking the abstract ideas of the 9-11 Truth movement. These are insults directed towards the members of an officially sanctioned University of Wisconsin- Eau Claire on-campus 9-11 Studies student-group. I would like to be allowed the opportunity to exercise my right to respond in defense of the 9-11 truth movement and the UWE 9-11 Studies student-organization, against the insults that the author of this article put on the movement as well as the members of the group. The Spectator can afford me that right by allowing my comments to post. Or, does the Spectator support intolerance that attacks ideas and stifles the education process?
Dear Mr. Hass,
It is not The Spectator’s policy to approve or reject an opinion column based on whether it could offend someone or not. Yes, we published Mr. Kust’s column — and the opinions stated in that column are his own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of The Spectator or its staff — but you and anyone else are also welcome to respond by writing a column of your own, a letter to the editor or commenting on the article, as you will see that many have.
The Spectator reserves the right to moderate the comments in order to try to preserve some thought-provoking discussion and avoid personal attacks, unnecessary profanity or libelous statements. As you perhaps have noticed, your comment was approved. The reason it took longer than you probably would have liked is simply because there is no one person on staff whose sole job is to moderate comments, which means that it will take us longer, as a staff, to get around to moderating the comments. As students, our class work comes first.
I apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your patience.
Sincerely,
Carolyn Tiry
Editor in Chief
Dear Mr. Kust,
Uncertain whether you are merely, sorely mistaken at best, or, suffering from ‘Cognitive Dissonance,’ a federal government shill, or, just plain blind at worst.
I read your piece and sigh: What a dope.
AE911Truth does not name names, or point fingers. Before one can assume who dunnit and why, one must know what it is. Any high school student with a critical thinking mind, in Physics class is taught about Newton’s Laws of Motion and Thermo-dynamics.
On: “what is it about people that makes them willingly deny the evidence and the truth,” here is an indication in reply ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGgAk1AbA4 ~
Psychologists help 9/11 truth deniers
http://www.youtube.com
Psychologists help out the conspiracy theorists that won’t let go of the official conspiracy theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw