New campus organization of 9/11 ‘truthers’ is misinformed
May 3, 2012
On Sept. 11, 2001, this country changed forever.
There’s no overstating it. It’s the day that bumped George W. Bush’s approval rating above 90 percent, the day that united our country in a display of patriotism not seen since World War II.
Sept. 11 shifted our nation’s domestic and foreign policy permanently, and was responsible for starting a War on Terror that is still deploying thousands of young men and women.
Ten years later, we’re still trying to understand what happened that day.
And from this lack of understanding comes confusion.
As many know, there exists a noteworthy movement that claims the events of 9/11 were an “inside job” — a purposeful act orchestrated by our government and special interest groups designed, depending on who you ask, to increase oil revenues or seize foreign lands, among other claims.
These so-called “truthers” have arrived at UW-Eau Claire.
On Monday night the Student Senate unanimously approved the constitution for a new student organization — Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: College Outreach Team.
According to the organization’s parent website, their mission is to “research, compile, and disseminate scientific evidence relative to the destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, calling for a truly open and independent investigation.”
A disclaimer: I’ve lived in Wisconsin all my life. I didn’t know anyone involved in the 9/11 attacks. I’m not an engineer or an architect. But I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for.
To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.
It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day, and it’s offensive to Americans who, naively or not, exercise a degree of faith in those who lead them.
Defaming this tragedy by dragging everyone involved in it through the dirt is a tragedy in and of itself.
But as strongly as I’m opposed to this organization’s intentions, I feel even more strongly about something else — our nation’s First Amendment. There’s no law, thankfully, that prohibits this College Outreach Team from existing.
They are free to organize here and use student fees here and spread their message here. That message — no matter how much I personally disagree with it — is protected by law. I respect that right, and when this organization becomes active on campus, I urge you to respect it as well.
I happened to be in New York City this January, and had the privilege to visit the 9/11 Memorial at Ground Zero. There are nearly 3,000 names etched into stone, shaped to mimic the foundations of the original World Trade Center, now filled with water that flows continuously throughout.
In busy New York City, in the middle of the work day, this small patch of ground was silent, as people simply remembered.
No matter your position on how the events that day unfolded, it’s important that we remember: that we remember those whose lives were lost, that we remember everyday people who ran into burning wreckage without a second thought, and that we remember the constitution that defends our right to make our opinions known.
So long as we remember, this country will continue to be the great one it is today.
David Cole • May 24, 2012 at 4:34 pm
BE THERE!!!!!!!!
Screening of the new A&E DVD, 911: Explosive Evidence– Experts Speak Out
This is your opportunity to ask questions and see the experts speak about the 9/11 issue:
Event Information:
Date: June 6, 2012
Time: 7:00 PM
The Barrymore Theater
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Madison, WI 53704
Tickets:
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John • May 21, 2012 at 5:18 pm
These students are probably physics and engineering majors.
Henry • May 21, 2012 at 7:46 am
Actually, victims of the 9-11 false flag attack are primary supporters of the 9-11 truth movement. The worst insult to them is perpetuating the government’s impossible, intelligence insulting “Cave Man” conspiracy theory and the resulting illegal, immoral, and unprovoked wars of terror. There is absolutely no doubt that the twin towers and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition. Not even the fearsome Cave Man can suspend the principles of physics.
The website linked below has some excellent videos proving the demolition of three earthquake, hurricane, and fire resistant steel framed high rise buildings on 9-11-01. Please take some time to get informed before expressing your opinion on this very important topic.
http://911sppeakout.org
Susanne • May 19, 2012 at 4:47 am
What is happening is that we’re finally beginning to grasp the idea that some people in high positions are indeed not capable of feeling empathy or remorse like normal human beings. It is a disease called psychopathy. It is estimated that 4-6% of humanity is just such a creature, whose brainscans show us that they haven’t developed empathy or remorse fields, though they are visably capable to mimic these human emotions as to stay uncovered. Political ponerology is the science of evil adjusted for political purposes and this science I think can help us out of the mess that we’re in. It has happened many times in history – as we all know- that these “successful” psychopaths rose to power on all levels of society and changed society into a pathocracy (Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Bush, etc etc). Lying, deceiving, controlling is all they are capable of.
Mr Kurt is still bying into the deceptions of the global pathocracy that is only just beginning to unravel itself. Let me ask tou a question: why can’t you BELIEVE that our leaders would not “stoop so low” while there is science that tells us 4 – 6% of humanity would, because it’s their nature? Maybe, Mr Kurt you have been programmed to assume and believe that “they” would not be capable of such a thing. I can highly recommend you reading “political ponorology” written by a polish psychologist, that has lived through the Stalin as well as the Nazi regimes.
This is the science behind all evil and pathology in our (or maybe their) created systems.
Klayt Morfoot • May 18, 2012 at 12:43 am
Mr. Kust and others,
I am the President of this student organization, and we will be writing a response to your article hoping that the Spectator will be fair enough to post it. I understand that the paper will unfortunately not be active until fall semester, and we are left wondering why you are so opposed to our calling for a new investigation. Your remark that our search for the truth is not supported by any of the victims’ family members is simply not true.
9/11 Truther • May 17, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I’m one of the students that will hopefully get to put in a lot of effort for this AE911 Truth Movement here on the UWEC campus this fall. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be informed. I know very well that we will be attacked for our views, but the truth of the matter is that WE are the ones that are informed, WE are the ones seeking to educate ourselves about the issues, and WE are the ones that think it’s important for other people to be informed as well.
It doesn’t take much effort to write an article like Mr. Kust did here. I’m sure he’s reading this comments and truly regretting writing this article without looking into the facts first. I’m so thankful for all of the folks that are commenting and giving all of this great information! Hopefully our organization will get to share all of these resources with any other open-minded students, faculty, and community members in the months and years to come. These comments are truly making me feel pumped about the organization! Now that we’re approved, we’ve got all sorts of options as far as how to go about educating the people about this issue.
I just want me some good ol’ fashion 9/11 truth!
Jay • May 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm
I learned more from the responses than the article. This article is funny.. literally! I LoLed.
Dmac76 • May 17, 2012 at 2:35 pm
The fact is all “truthers” are fools, ignorant or just misinformed. The fact is, all of this started with a couple of stupid college kids and mac and way too much time on their hands. No so called facts have ever been substantiated,
The planes were missles. You’re right thousands of eye witnesses must have lied.
You can’t make phone calls from thirty thousand feet, well that has bee proved false, but regardless the calls were made a much lower altitude. And the families of those victims have done a great job keeping quiet about the conspiracy.
It was a demolition job. No real demolition expert will support that claim.
And to claim that there are thousands of architects and scientist demanding a new investigation is a load of crap. Where are they? I don’t hear them speaking up. Oh, they signed a petition, my bad.
Carrying out a conspiracy this complicated would have taken hundreds if not thousands of people. Where are they, nobody has come out. Try keeping a secret between you and nine of your friends and see how long it takes for their wives, girlfriends, mothers, siblings other friends find out. Days, weeks, maybe a month?? How the hell did the gov’t do this?? I’m sure they probably did a lot of killing of eyewitnesses after the event to keep things quiet, as indicated by that idiot that made loose change. If that is the case, why didn’t they have him “whacked”???
The fact is we got caught with “our pants down”, it was a horrific event and as hard as it may be to imagine, Osama bin Laden did really hate America and was telling the truth when he claimed responsibility.
So all of you truthers can blow me, I win….Now suck my nut sack.
Dr. Ed Kendrick • May 17, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Motive, means, opportunity and the complicity of Hollywood, mass media, FEMA, FBI, heads of state, Congress in the cover-up could only arise from and be orchestrated by top level controllers of our world.
http://ReDiscover911.com
Who are the tribe who have used narratives to deceive, mislead and redirect the path of the human journey? Who control mass media, Hollywood and our Congress?
It ain’t the Irish.
Richard A Bowers • May 17, 2012 at 9:48 am
Dear Mr. Kust
I wonder how many so called “Patriots” like you who live in places like Japan, Germany, Russia, France, North Korea, Iran, Africa, Libya, Syria, etc. now or in the past, do or would say that the their “Dear Leaders” would not stoop so Low as to use their power to kill their own people. Oh no, not here. I wonder how many said that just before the bullet or the explosion silenced their words?
The truth is it may not have been the “Dear Leaders” per say, just someone who made a lot of money and gained a lot of power.
Scott B • May 16, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Mr. Kust –
Apparently, you are opposed to scientific research and using the laws of physics to analyze evidence. Perhaps you should reconsider other ideas, too, about the families for instance. How many and which ones did you interview to arrive at your conclusion that they were offended? Try starting with Ellen Mariani or any of the other famiy members who had to demand the crimes of that day even be investigated. While you’re at it, consider changing the name of the paper you represent from “The Spectator” to “The Speculator.” Indeed.
Michael Cook • May 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Mr. Kust, What about WTC buildings 3,4,5 and 6?
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/440-1000-words.html
Avenging World • May 16, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Truth is like gravity, you can’t defy it for long.
The light will eventually dawn, let’s just hope we don’t have to waste a generation waiting for it.
This is only beginning.
Doug H • May 16, 2012 at 10:57 am
“their mission is to research, compile, and disseminate scientific evidence”
“I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for.”
sgt_doom • May 15, 2012 at 1:28 pm
When the BCCI investigation reached closer to President Geo. H.W. Bush’s White House back in the late ’80s, early ’90s, Bush appointed Robert Mueller III to be the chief of the DOJ’s Criminal Division to manage the BCCI probe — or more accurately, to deflect it away from the Bush administration and narrow the scope of the investigation.
Four days prior to 9/11/01, President Geo. W. Bush appoints Robert Mueller III to be director of the FBI — perfect timing and what a pedigree Mueller possesses.*
One day prior to 9/11/01, the Pentagon’s comptroller announces that $2.3 trillion cannot be accounted for.**
Six to seven hours prior to the events of that 9/11 morning, sometime between 2:00 AM and 3:00 AM (EST) a group email is transmitted to the DIA’s financial management staff to attend an emergency meeting that very morning at their Pentagon offices — located at the Pentagon’s west wall.
One staff member will fortuitously oversleep, viewing the email late and consequently arrive late — just in time to view from afar the plane crashing into the super-reinforced west wall, severely injuring or killing almost the entire financial management group of the DIA, and those computer systems involved with discovering said missing funds; apparently data backups aren’t the order of the day?
That very same morning on 9/11/01, the National Reconnaissance Office’s (NRO) ops center would be evacuated due to an exercise simulating an attack by suicide aircraft flying into that facility. (Sound vaguely familiar?)
Therefore, no one was on hand to manually task their recon satellites on the airspace above NYC and the Pentagon.
Thanks to further expansion of the Web over the Internet (2003 – 2005), cached pages of dramatically increased data transmission and EFTs, originating from three firms residing in the two WTC towers to offshore locations, could be accessed.
Shortly after 9/2001, in early 2002, an explosive growth occurs in offshore hedge funds.
Background research on those unfortunate passengers aboard the involved airliners (victims who were certain to die that day) indicated that some of the pax fall into three unique groups, along with three unique individuals aboard. The three groups: (1) developers of remote piloting hardware and software; (2) individuals involved in the creation of a terrorist scenario remarkably similar to that which occurred on 9/11/01 (among that group of victims was an Israeli counterterrorist expert and one of the airliners’ pilots, a former career Naval officer); and, (3) some of the individuals involved with the investigation into Flight 800’s demise.
The three individuals: (1) wife number three of the solicitor general, who would quickly move on to wife number four once the insurance settlement came through (death by opportunity?); (2) a lady attorney, rumored to be involved with a senior married partner of the conservative and politically-connected law firm which successfully defended Fox News on several cases of fictionalizing the news (death by opportunity?); and, (3) a physicist with the Naval Surface Warfare Center’s Directed Energy Section.
[We are not suggesting any of these victims were aware of the events to transpire on 9/11 — this appears to be a highly compartmentalized operation.]
Intensive pattern analysis, link analysis, and link and group analysis indicates the five principal players involved: the Blackstone Group, Veritas Capital, AIG, the office of the VP, and the office of the SecDef.
Some time prior to 9/11/01, a financial news announcement would explain an investment by AIG in the Blackstone Group (source document of transaction, along with hard copy source documents of thousands of ongoing SEC investigations resided in the destroyed WTC Building 7 – no source docs, case closed!).
The amount of AIG’s investment was approximately the final insurance payout amount to the property management/RE firm for the WTC destruction (classic paper money false transfer and money laundering scheme, relatively simple — for a far more circuitous, and commonplace, accounting scheme, please see Retirement Heist, by Ellen Schultz, p. 209 on “leveraged ESOPs”).
The mortgage owner of record for WTC Building 7: the Blackstone Group.
The firm awarded the $1 billion captive insurance fund management contract by Bush’s FEMA, for settlement with WTC victims’ families: the Blackstone Group.
The firm which negotiated the largest and quickest real estate deal in NYC history, the WTC lease transfer from the Port Authority of NY and NJ to Silverstein Properties and Westfield America, Inc.: the Blackstone Group.
During the week prior to 9/11/01, the fiber optic installation firm, EurekaGGN, installed dark fiber in the top floors of the two WTC towers (they had the contract for cabling the entire WTC), utilizing a method to pump the fiber optical cables through existing HVAC vents running beneath each floor.
[To reiterate: the west wall of the Pentagon had been reinforced, according to Structure Magazine, which also posed the question as to why only one wall and a plane crashes into it. Fiber optic is being installed, but never verified as to being operational, in the WTC towers, and planes crash into them — access, access, access!]
Technical details not widely known: two of the four airliners involved didn’t appear on the FAA Flight Registry which logs all commercial flights, per standard procedure, as they were reserved as DoD Special Charters, meaning that each plane must seat those reserved for DoD personnel, and must depart at the schedule time, but any remaining seats may be filled commercially.
Aircraft pointedly flew to shadow zones – where radar coverage was obscured due to topography and ATCC limitations – where the transponders were then powered down – normally, they would have triggered ATCC radar indicators (highly doubtful those Saudi Arabian hijacker cutouts would have known these recondite details?); and recovered black box data, obtained through FOIA requests, give no indication of any hijacking taking place (and yes, there does exist a governmental database of black box hijacking data for comparison purposes).
There were over 1,000 other “coincidences” which took place that morning, all tracking back to the five principal players.
Recap: $2.3 trillion announced unaccounted, and DIA’s financial management group is almost entirely wiped out, along with involved computer systems, dramatically increased data transmissions and EFTs out of WTC towers in preceding 12 hours, and people and computer systems involved are killed and destroyed, with explosive growth in offshore hedge funds occurring shortly thereafter.
Veritas Capital, purchaser and owner of former Raytheon subsidiary which employed those remote piloting hardware and software developers and subcontractors aboard some of those airliners involved in 9/11, and Veritas Capital makes some incredibly prescient defense industry investments shortly prior to 9/11/01.
[Containment process: Immediately after the first Anthrax attack, DynCorp’s Dynport Vaccine Company was awarded an Anthrax government contract — therefore any possible future investigation would logically turn up Anthrax. Dynport Vaccine Company was located right by Ft. Detrick, probably point of origin of weaponized Anthrax, but Detrick didn’t possess the required lab equipment to weaponize, while Dynport did. (Dynport was owned by DynCorp, government contractor and private military company, later cited for human trafficking crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq — and was purchased by Veritas Capital, and later sold.)
Recovered disk drives in WTC Towers were strangely — given their classified and sensitive nature — sent overseas to a German data recovery firm, Convar, recently purchased by Kroll (and not to the NSA as one would obviously assume???). A spokesman for Convar publicly stated that some data had been recovered, but said data and drives were delivered to the FBI HQ in D.C., where they promptly disappeared.]
Increasing the awareness of evil….
*Robert Mueller III, FBI director, is the grandnephew of Richard Bissell, one of the three top CIA types who President Kennedy fired. Mueller’s wife is the granddaughter of Charles Cabell, another of those three CIA people JFK had fired (the third was Allen Dulles, who would later manage the Warren Commission!
**
http://www.financial-edu.com/history-of-credit-derivatives.php
2002-Rise of Hedge Funds: Number of funds increases from 4000 in 2002 managing $2 trillion to 8000+ managing $4 trillion. This creates intense demand for new structured products with higher yields.
Albury Smith • May 15, 2012 at 5:44 am
the author of this poorly researched piece of garbage.. sorry .. theres no other fitting description, should educate themselves on some simple truths.
there is no evidence that supports the official version of events. the official version of events does not stand up to the slightest scrutiny.
there has never been an independent transparent unfettered investigation with subpoena power to examine all the evidence, and submit it all to expert scrutiny, and to hear all testimony – under oath, to prove one way or another, beyond all reasonable doubt, if the official tale of events of 9/11 did indeed happen as we are being told.
well they didnt. and the majority of the world knows this already. if the writer is still unaware, he is either willfully ignorant or simply deceitful.
Doug H • May 16, 2012 at 11:08 am
Did you even read the article?
It’s not “poorly researched”. There’s nothing in it that would even call for any research. It’s nothing but projection of opinion.
It basically says “I don’t like them. I don’t like them. I don’t like them.”
It’s all completely true and calls for no research.
shannon • May 14, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I read your article with interest. However, it is disappointing and absurd that you have alluded to people accusing “the US Government” of orchestrating 9/11. The US Government comprises a huge and diverse network of agencies and personnel, 10s of thousands of employees, working for the US Postal Service to the USGS, NASA to NOAA, the State Department, the Justice Department…. and dozens more.
However, the most likely scenario as regards the identities of those who planned and executed 9/11 – would most likely be a very small group of people in positions of highly privileged access as regards security clearance and ability to make decisions and give orders. The key to the success of 9/11, was the need to *prevent the US military from reacting in the normal, time honored fashion*, using a set of protocols and procedures which have worked highly efficiently, for decades.
On June 1, 2001, the following, incredible “blunder” happened :
Just two short months prior to 9/11, then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld oversaw a significant change to DoD procedures for dealing with hijacked aircraft, making it the personal responsibility of the Defense Secretary to issue intercept orders.
Commanders in the field were stripped of all authority to act.
The document, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1 June 2001) was issued for the purpose of providing “guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects.”
The new instruction, signed by S.A. Fry (Vice Admiral, US Navy and Director, Joint Staff) superseded previous procedures. This document states that “In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval.”
This is incredible. In other words, the scramble operating procedures/protocols which had worked 100% successfully for decades to deal with rogue airplanes were scrapped by Rumsfeld, and replaced with a protocol which failed *spectacularly* on September 11, 2001. Had the original procedures been left in place, the terrorists’ mission would have failed: NOT ONE of those hijacked planes would have made it anywhere near their targets, and the WTC would still be standing today. The 2,947 who died on the day, the 974 who have died from sicknesses contracted by inhalation of the toxic dust, 5500 US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who were killed in an illegal war would still be alive, and the US economy would be $1.5 Trillion better off.
Even more incredibly, the original scramble procedures were reinstated on September 12, 2001.
Rumsfeld’s bizarre action was instrumental in allowing the 9/11 plot to succeed. Now why he did this, and why not a word was mentioned in the media, and not a single question in Congress….. is about the most extraordinary piece of treachery in US history.
And I haven’t even started on the question of “who bypassed security at the WTC to rig the buildings with nano-thermite, a composite nanoparticulate high explosive-incendiary – only manufactured in the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and accessible to people with high security clearances.
James Kust – please open your mind – the conspiracy theory stuff has been the crazy, single sourced, baseless, no-proof baloney about 19 hijackers and a guy in a cave….
Lou Stolzenberg • May 14, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Hi James,
As a 9/11 truth seeker, I share some common ground with you. We are both willing to speak out against actions that violate our sense of what is right and we both value freedom of speech. I sense that we may share other values such as wanting to do the right thing.
There may be values that you share with the AE campus group. I hope that you can get to know them and share your stories with them. Recognizing the right to freedom of speech is important but just as crucial to a vital democracy is the ability to respectfully talk with others with different opinions.
Many of the comments have attempted to change your opinion by providing new information to you. Sometimes this is an effective method to change deeply held beliefs but often it is not. Beliefs can be so interwoven with our identity and worldview that releasing them is resisted at unconscious levels.
Please cut us some slack us when we lose sight of maintaining respect for others who don’t share our 9/11 views. (And I’ll do the same for you.) Peoples’ lives are at stake and some of us, including myself at times, do lose patience with those who would rather condemn us than listen.
You have started a discussion on 9/11 in your community that has reached far beyond Eau Claire. As a truth seeker, even though I don’t agree with some of your views, I can appreciate that your article has drawn attention to the issues. The members of the AE group and the student senate can also be applauded for their part in stimulating a very pertinent discussion on 9/11 and the health of our democracy. Either bridges or walls can be built going forward, depending on how we all choose to proceed.
The world continues to watch Wisconsin to see how we deal with diverse opinions and threats to democracy. A successful 9/11 campus discussion process here might serve as a model for other areas of the country.
Since you might see this issue more easily in terms of values, you could refer to the home page statement of Religious Leaders for 9/11 Truth, at rl911truth.org, which relates the Golden Rule to 9/11 truth issues. (Note that neither this group nor any other professional 9/11 group is assigning blame for the events of 9/11.) Christians for 9/11 Truth at cf911truth.org offers another values based perspective.
Truth, justice and compassion are needed for a functional democracy and a peaceful world. Almost eleven years of deceit about 9/11, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, torture and the resultant denial of justice to all victims of 9/11 is a cancer in our political and media systems which must be excised for national and world health.
Although it is painful to learn the details, we as healthy, mature adults need to deal with reality not false hopes. In light of the recent guilty verdict for George W. Bush and associates at the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal Hearing, which concluded on May 11, there is no better time than now to come together and open our minds and hearts.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Bush-and-Associates-Found-by-Press-Release-120512-629.html
Lou Stolzenberg
Greg Jones • May 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Mr. Kust:
after introducing this “movement” as one making claims of “inside job… orchestrated by our government” you qualify your references to these and “other claims” with the phrase “depending who you ask”.
You do not make reference to whom these and other claims depend upon, but, by lumping Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth with a jumble of “dependings” and “other claims” you don’t do justice to what AE911truth.org propounds in any way.
Though you quote their mission is to “research, compile, and disseminate scientific evidence relative to the destruction of the three World Trade Center skyscrapers, calling for a truly open and independent investigation” you distort what they actually claim by saying you’re “vehemently opposed to everything” for which they stand; by more-than-strong implication, you claim they impute the government would stoop so low to cause the deaths of 9/11.
They do no such thing.
Their references to government and statements are to establish the apparently false, contradictory and/or clear impossibility of the government’s so-far unsubstantiated theory of the destruction of the towers and WTC – with substantive evidence of their own.
They in no way theorize, as this piece claims from ill-researched inferences and apparently uninformed knee-jerk reaction to the mere use of “9/11” and “Truth” in the same phrase, the government “orchestrated” or was directly involved. They refuse to “theorize”; they ask questions, present the contradictions, and make the case for actual investigation into the destruction.
You contradict yourself again if we can compare your own statement, “It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day”, to what we can read prior to your quote from their website: “Our work at AE911Truth is dedicated to the victims, families and all others throughout the world affected by the tragic events.”
Another fact to consider: the families themselves started the 9/11 Truth movement and called the government’s *entire* theory into doubt, not just the fall of the buildings, which is something AE911truth.org is unwilling to do themselves without evidentiary basis. Their work is simply to support the victims’ friends and family members own search for the truth – through their evidence and the laws of physics.
Despite your contradictory, unsubstantiated and obfuscatory statements – or probably because of them – you converge into a poetic juxtaposition of “being at Ground Zero” this year and naive Patriotism to cover your lack of research and ability to distinguish between “truthers” and an association of science-based sceptics.
Your “opinion” in some way crystallizes many things which “changed forever” on Sept. 11, 2001.
Beyond a moment of sadness mixed with brief, undeserved patriotic absolution, it demonstrates we don’t need goons dressed as soldiers and police using bullets and batons to censor and silence the people, all we need is a press and media who don’t do justice to the principles of journalism.
ref.: http://www.ae911truth.org/
Robert Lockwood Mills • May 14, 2012 at 9:26 am
Mr. Kust: I understand your feelings, but you are the one who is misinformed. It is by no means necessary for “our government” to have been behind 9/11, merely a renegade bunch within our government.
I urge you to educate yourself about false-flag events, in particular about Operation Northwoods (1962), a secret plot to overthrow (or murder) Fidel Castro. It was unknown to ordinary Americans, and even to many within the government. But the joint Chiefs of Staff approved it unanimously, and the CIA (headed by the notorious Allen Dulles) and organized crime were part of it. Fortunately for the country, JFK vetoed Operation Northwoods and fired Allen Dulles. That was unfortunate for JFK, who wound up murdered a year later.
Yes, Mr. Kust…there are people within our government who would sacrifice lives for a “higher” purpose. And they’re doing it as we speak.
Adam Syed • May 13, 2012 at 11:14 pm
The fact that the World Trade Center was demolished with explosives is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point. I am heartened at the comments here, which are pretty much unanimously in favor of 9/11 truth. This was a staged, fake “terror” attack known as a false flag operation. Kennedy was killed one year after rejecting the now declassified “Operation Northwoods” which proposed staging fake “attacks” and blaming it on Castro. These propositions included fake plane passengers and remote controlled planes. Yes, the technology for that was there in 1961. There is plenty of evidence that the Pentagon event on 9/11 was just as fake/staged as the demolition of the WTC. Watch the video National Security Alert:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o
or if you would like the 4 minute Readers’ Digest version, Canadian journalist, media critic and 9/11 documentary maker Barrie Zwicker sums it up perfectly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5wzJtSMhc
LadyLiberty • May 13, 2012 at 8:53 pm
http://secgovwiki.org/#911_2
Saje • May 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Would one consider offensive the reopening of a murder case if new evidence pointed to another suspect? Wouldn’t the victim’s family prefer knowing the right person was behind bars rather than just be content with whomever was doing the time? If there was any doubt, wouldn’t they at least want to have it investigated?
It was once deemed offensive to believe that the earth revolved around the sun. Thankfully, scientific minds prevailed… just as they should now.
REVOLUTIONNEWS • May 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm
CONSPIRACY NUTS!
“The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American’s freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight.” —JFK
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“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.”—FDR
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“By the time you become the leader of a country, someone else makes all the decisions. You may find you can get away with Virtual Presidents, Virtual Prime Ministers, and Virtual Everything.”—Bill Clinton
Aidan Monaghan • May 13, 2012 at 3:28 am
The entire official 9/11 story is virtually an unproven allegation – from the alleged acts of the accused, to how the planes were reportedly controlled, to how the buildings actually fell. And the evidence used to support major aspects of the official 9/11 story has been proven by research to be suspect.
Just because the TV says without end, that 9/11 happened as advertised, does not make it so.
Howard T. Lewis III • May 13, 2012 at 1:50 am
Thebes, above raises a major point. If you do not know, shut up and listen or get out there with these other noble folks and find out what did really happen. My father flew to NYC several times between 1965 and the grand opening celebration for the WTCs I and II to get the preliminary contracts set up. Before the engineers from Skilling Engineering got home from work after hearing a demolition system was going to be part of their project, I knew about this preset and was assigned by my father to get to the downtown Seattle and University of Washington libraries and not to come home unless I found something. He quit the project but two old family friends did not quit and daily, for about two weeks I had to do a report fit for one of the preliminary contract writers for the WTCs I and II about this preset and the following campaign in 1969 to stop this madness. The Sears and Roebuck Tower (Willis)in Chicago was also set up, and is now. Try concrete journals, Construction Quarterly, Architects Digest, et al from 1968-1969 in bound journal archives and watch for torn out pages. It is there. I get banned from websites and I have shaved chimps baring their teeth at me and throwing their scat. Apparently reality does not fit their fancy. I have not heard ANY truth from actual builders about this preset. My father died in 1992. Somebody did get into the buildings much later and used nanothermate to cut the cores and thus set off the preset. This process is visible as the buildings fall.
It is good when people who have actually built steel buildings do the talking. Any questions? I have had several security issues worked on by people from different disciplines. I am at [email protected]. The fucks who did 9-11 set up and intentionally blew Fukushima and the DH oil well in the GoM. There is no reason for Fukushima not to be wrapped up by now. Listen to Arnie Gundersen, he is correct and wise. We are being led by ignorant pigs with loot and guns. I am the guy with the mouth. The perps are trying to use phony bastardization of Bible prophecy to confuse, scare, and amaze the people. Good luck, I saw ‘The Avengers 3-D’ two days ago. back in 1986, I saw a display of a Boeing/USAF UFO projector. Like the ‘Pong’ video game in midair with a cloud cover at night. 2-D holograms. It needed some ‘splainin’.
HAARP is also being used to flood and destroy huge tracts of farm land and lives in the midwest. The perps were dissuaded from destroying the nukes set up along the rivers. I have closely followed dutchsinse.com and seen several consecutive chemtrail>HAARP circle> radical weather event successions and predictions as recorded by Dutch. Great stuff there too. He caught them in the act. Bless you Dutch and co., wherever you are.
Rampaging Manatee • May 12, 2012 at 11:14 pm
“…faith in those who lead them.”
Ok, you have a fundamental flaw in your philosophy on how this country is run. They are our servants, not our ‘leaders’! Their ONLY job is to protect our liberty. Period.
“…offensive to the victims.”
That is just a lie.
Jet fuel doesn’t vaporize steel.
Fires don’t pulverize steel and reinforced concrete.
One thing you’re correct about is ‘our government’ didn’t do this horrific act of murder and terror. But they certainly covered for those who did. 9/11 would have never happened, it would have been thwarted before it began if not for rogue elements in high places within our government, military, pentagon, intelligence, and law enforcement. Plus a fully obedient media (See: Mike Rivero’s post regarding BBC and Tower 7!).
But don’t take my word for it, let’s hear what others have to say:
“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.” ~Osama bin Laden
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. ” ~Osama bin Laden Oct.2001
“America’s greatest enemy – radical Islam – never existed: neither when Bin Laden was alive, nor now.” ~ Michael Scheuer, Chief of the CIA’s ‘Bin Laden unit’, Author, Historian
“In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper — either here in the United States, or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere — that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot.” ~FBI Director Robert Muller April 19, 2002
izzysykopth • May 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm
I knew on 911 that airliners were not responsible for the towers demise. Ask ANY ironworker. Ive been a journey ironworker and certified weldor since June of 88. After researching 911 myself since the morning it happened I have debated many trolls and sheep alike. Been called all the names ‘twoofer’ ‘cookspiratard’ ‘whacko’ etc and I find the comment board here very refreshing. THX to all with the intelligence, initiative and courage to be heard. Mr Kust: Expect us.
dale thorn • May 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm
For people who just can’t believe our government would purposely kill 3000 people. Our government has purposely built more than 50 thousand thermonuclear bombs and missiles with which to kill all seven billion people on Earth 10 times over, deliberately and ruthlessly without a shred of remorse, and has heavily trained thousands of technicians and pilots and silo staff to deliver those 50 thousand thermonuclear bombs to target with no hesitation when the button is pushed and the secret launch codes delivered. THAT is reality. Compared to that, killing 3000 people and blowing up 3 skyscrapers is a walk in the park.
Impressed • May 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Just like most articles on the net, the comments are the best part.Keep em coming.
Ned • May 12, 2012 at 7:20 pm
James, with respect, if you are ever called for jury service in a criminal trial have yourself excused. You appear to be lacking the necessary intellect and objectivity and capacity to examine scientific expert evidence and surrounding circumstantial material. The courts and legal fraternity would be well advised to
note the present incapacity. I do hope that you will rectify your problem/s. Perhaps you could start by firstly acknowedgeing the problem then noting the comments above.
To start you off with a bit of fun search the Corbett report; A 911
conspiracy theory. Please note the comment by Mike Rivero who has the whatreallyhappened.com website, his 911 material is illuminating. (note that ‘really’ in the title has two ‘l’s.)
Cheers from way South of the US.
Will • May 12, 2012 at 6:55 pm
offensive and true. that’s why we’re pissed.
evilcheneycyborgzombievsVampireObamaGolem • May 12, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I have studied 911 for several years. When you study something for more than four years in collage you may get a degree, study what the government is hiding and what it has done, and you get the third degree.
From media gatekeepers like yourself who are either paid off or claiming your continued ignorance is out of respect for the families.
It wasn’t as the gov said it was they lied about pretty much everything about 911, if you took the time to research 91 properly the very fact that the US GOV covered it up should cause you to rethink your position on “911 truth”.
because guess what family members of victims have been lied to just like you.
So heres what you do, you shut up and listen to what the firefighters, police and regular people who were there at the wtc said about 911. Then compare that to what the gov said about 911.
Zippy • May 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm
“To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.”
..I wonder how many people in Europe were offended at least at first at the thought that NATO ‘stay behind’ agents were involved in 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing and other terrorist acts? I wonder how they felt when they learned when the operation Codenamed ‘Gladio’ (‘the sword’), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of “The best kept, and most damaging, political-military secret since World War II”. Wonder if they were “offended” by the truth, the truth that terrorist acts were perpetrated upon their own people by their very own government?
Before you show your total ignorance of history do some research you may just avoid looking the fool.
Aaron from new zealand • May 12, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Not one comment supportive of the article! LOL!!!!
KUDOS AMERICA, WELL DONE!
My my how the lanscape has changed.
It must make them nervous as they consider killing Ron Paul…
Robert Anderson • May 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm
What I find offensive is someone who objects to others seeking answers and accountability from their government.
What I find offensive is someone who does not want to find out if elements within their government is capable of a false flag attack (The U.S has a long history of such manipulation to go to war; look up the Gulf of Tonkin or Operation Northwoods as two documented examples.)
I find it offensive to have millions of citizens blindly follow leaders who are beholden to the military-industrial complex which President Eisenhower warned us about in what I consider the most important presidential speech ever made (watch it for free at freedocumentaries.org in the documentary “Why We Fight.”)
I find it offensive that people do not understand the kind of things the powerful are capable of doing for greed–and in this case trillions of taxpayer dollars have flowed to the defense and security contractors that would not have otherwise. And it continues.
I find it offensive that the media and others dismiss hundreds of military and intelligence professionals, airline pilots, architects and engineers, who question the events of 9/11 (you can see who those with the courage to sign are by going to patriotsquestion911.com I suspect many others would sign if they were not afraid of their careers or being labeled “conspiracy theorists”)
I find it offensive that people cannot watch WTC 7, a 610-foot building, drop into its footprint in under seven seconds and realize for themselves, without relying on expert opinions, that modern steel frame buildings just don’t do that without controlled demolition. I suspect this is why the building’s destruction has never been shown on U.S. media other on 9/11 and once on the Scarborough Report, and in that case permission had to come from the highest executives of the network.
I find it deeply offensive that so many people can no longer think for themselves. Instead they rely on the media to do it for them. Welcome to Orwell’s 1984.
eric • May 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm
if the US government is telling the truth about 3 skyscrapers collapsing due to fires on 9/11, why aren’t all demolition companies around the world out of business?
Melle Belle • May 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Just attend a meeting and see for yourself what they are about.
Toss pre-conceived notions out, and just LISTEN.
IF afterwards you believe in jet fuel and 19 Highjackers, then you can continue on your merry way thru
life. That is what the college experience is.
Thebes • May 12, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I can’t say what happened on 9/11, and unless you were personally involved in the plot, or personally investigated it, you can’t either.
What I can say is that the men who chaired our nation’s investigation into what happened had previously had been reported by the AP to have breakfasted with the man the FBI called “The 9/11 Money Man” on that fateful morning. Curiously, the Senate committee’s extensive report on this matter did NOT EVEN mention this well documented meeting (the man had been the head of the Paki ISI until he vanished) and concluded that the source of the funding was unimportant because it was “so small”.
One of those chairmen went on to head the CIA under Bush II.
It is obvious to me that our investigations into 9/11 were so seriously flawed that no reasonable individual can accept them as being done in “good faith”. Since the story changed (all of the reports that day referenced bombs and explosions and even a moving van full of explosives driven by Israeli spies)… well you can understand why those of us who won’t drink the CIA’s Kool-aid have some VERY serious questions about this matter and the intentions of our intelligence agencies.
Friend • May 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm
“It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day…”
That’s an incredibly offensive statement. Who are you to speak for the families and friends of the dead and injured, many of whom have been demanding a full investigation for more than ten years now?
By the way, demanding a full investigation is not the same thing as claiming 9/11 was an inside job. Almost every member of the original federal investigation panel has said publicly that they were mislead or even told outright lies. How the heck do you call yourself a patriot when you refuse to pursue justice for the victims of 9/11?
Peter Wakefield Sault • May 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Not one single voice raised in support of the Justin Beiber of journalism? How truly wonderful!
Bluesman • May 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm
S’funny how you can’t refute Prof Steven Jones’ peer reviewed paper
Nor answer any of the legimate points raised
Maybe you are educating yourself (but I doubt it)
A good start might be to disprove Dr Jones’s proofs of thermite/thermate use
I challenge you to prove Prof Jones wrong as I don’t believe you can do it, you seem to lacking proof and dare I say the intelligence/understanding to use it to prove your premise
The ball is certainly now in your court …
A reply (or lack thereof) will no doubt be very telling to all readers 😉
John-Michael P. Talboo • May 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm
James Kust of the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire is Misinformed
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2012/05/james-kust-of-university-of.html
pj • May 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Rah-rah, college boy. Bush was a cheerleader in college too. Google “THE FIVE DANCING ISRAELIS”.
Mr. Mojo • May 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Trying to uncover the truth is always offensive, to the liars and their stooges.
el • May 12, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I see your “Post 9-11 Traumatic Stress Disorder” symptoms are showing, Mr.Kust! See, you had your life threatened on 9-11, as we all did.
The five stages of death (of your mind, mr.Kent)
#1. Denial.
#2. Anger.
#3. Bargaining.
#4. Depression.
#5. Acceptance.
You seem to be at #1, but your article seems to lead toward #5.
Jake Truth • May 12, 2012 at 12:41 pm
“Ten years later, we’re still trying to understand what happened that day. And from this lack of understanding comes confusion.”
Exactly. Even members of the 9/11 Commission itself admit that the investigation was a sham. Many so-called “Truthers” simply want to know what happened through a fair, impartial, comprehensive investigation.
The evidence we have now may not tell us what happened that tragic day. But it does prove without a shadow of a doubt that our government has lied to us. It’s also clear beyond doubt that 9/11 was used to justify the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Wanting to finally get to the bottom and know the truth about this tragedy in no way disrespects the dead and their families. On the contrary. Burying our heads in the sand and pretending the truth doesn’t really matter is what is truly disrespectful.
Anonymous • May 12, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Surprise surprise, another 9/11 hit piece. American and Israeli intelligence agencies were responsible for this crime. The evidence is solid and plentiful. Hopefully, more people will wake up to this fact and bring the perps to justice before they all die of old age.
andrea • May 12, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Please watch Loose Change.
dale thorn • May 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Sofia’s original film “9/11 Mysteries” is much better than Loose Change, if the original version still exists.
Tariq • May 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm
“…I didn’t know anyone involved in the 9/11 attacks. I’m not an engineer or an architect. But I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for…”
That’s you, honestly exhibiting your bias against facts. I’m a civil engineer from India. Unlike you, I know how buildings are designed. I also know how a steel structure responds to fire, impact load, wind load and seismic load. Based on my research for over a decade, spending over 3,000 hours sniffing and collecting every bit of information, and based on my knowledge of structural engineering and material engineering, I am fully convinced that the events of Sept. 11th 2001 were meticulously designed by special interest groups within and outside the US, executed in a manner, called a ‘false-flag’ making it look like a terrorist attack, resulting in an outrage not just in the US but across the globe, to allow with little or no opposition, those special-interest groups carry out their long-term plans for the world.
Anyway, I’m not vehemently opposed to you as your number is dwindling! I see America at a crossroad. You have two choices – 1) Be vehemently opposed to the movement and stay on the path of self-destruction, 2) Wake up before it’s too late and try, like others are trying so desparately, to save their ship from sinking.
greencrow • May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm
The only people who will not examine the facts of 9/11 are those whose interest lies in the lies. People who “like” the idea of being attacked by muslims will not tolerate any other story. Being attacked by muslims was so empowering…in order to respond by invading Afhanistan and Iraq…it was so “perfect”. Why toy with “perfection”?
gc
Jeff Christen-Mitchell • May 12, 2012 at 11:50 am
– James, you are a very good German – My own findings are at http://septemberthe11th.org/ – Life Bless Us All
NEil • May 12, 2012 at 11:39 am
I think the comments to this article tell us more than the article itself. All of you make me feel better about the possibility of finding out the truth about this and other horrible government activities. Thank you all.
J.T. Waldron • May 12, 2012 at 11:27 am
“To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.”
What is offensive are the people who commit these crimes. Not the people who shine a light on these crimes.
Amazing how far we’ve strayed from the rule of law. We have banks that are too big to fail and crimes that are too big to prosecute.
Meanwhile, the United States is about to execute three people who were tortured into confessing the crimes of 9/11.
What’s more offensive?
Jason Walker • May 12, 2012 at 11:27 am
Mr. Kust,
In the spirit of journalistic integrity, I would propose that you research whether or not the family members of 9/11 victims want an independent investigation into the events of 9/11 before asserting that it is an affront to them to call for a new investigation.
If, after some quick fact-checking that should be quite easy for someone of your particular expertise, you find that well known family members of 9/11 victims have steadfastly been calling for a truly independent investigation into the events of 9/11, it may behoove you to write a follow-up article detailing their reasonable requests and expectations for a real investigation. You know, the one where all of the available evidence is considered before reaching a conclusion.
Michael Rivero • May 12, 2012 at 10:58 am
James
What you believe or are unable to believe is irrelevant to reality. Indeed the worst despots in history got away with their crimes precisely because people such as yourself were blinded by their beliefs (assuming you are not one of the FBI’s notorious and numerous on-campus informants).
The fact is that all government throughout history lie to their people to control them. Ramses the Great lied to the people of Egypt about defeating the Hittites at Kadesh. Napoleon lied to the French people about victory in Egypt. President McKinley lied about a Spanish Mine in Havana Harbor. Hitler lied about Gliewitz. President Roosevelt lied about Pearl Harbor being a surprise. President Johnson lied about torpedoes in the Gulf of Tonkin. President Bush lied about Saddam’s nuclear weapons. The current administration is lying about Iran’s nuclear program and the true scale of unemployment.
As for 9-11, there is overwhelming evidence that it was a staged hoax (like Gliewitz). I will mention just two examples here.
The first is the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, which fell into its own footprint like a controlled demolition even though it was not struck by any aircraft. Building 7 is not even mentioned in the official US Government report on 9-11 because they cannot come up with a believable excuse as to why it collapsed.
The second example is the report by the BBC that Building 7 had collapsed. They reported it live using a reporter at the scene in New York at 21:54 GMT. The problem is, building 7 did not actually collapse until 22:20 GMT and is in fact visible standing behind the reporter while she broadcasts, proving that 9-11 was being reported from a script, not what was really going on.
No steel-framed biding has collapsed from fire either before building 7 or since, and no building that collapses from fire collapses straight down into its own footprint like a controlled demolition.
You can either act like an intellectual student and do a quick web search, which will provide a great many more examples of evidence that 9-11 was a hoax to start a war (like Gliewitz), or you can go on being a slave to beliefs imposed on you as a child and refuse to see what is right in front of your eyes.
Or did you never wonder why it is called “blind faith?”
Mel Thoresen • May 13, 2012 at 10:54 am
Right on!
John-Michael P. Talboo • May 12, 2012 at 10:44 am
“To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.
It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day, and it’s offensive to Americans who, naively or not, exercise a degree of faith in those who lead them.”
Bill Doyle estimated in 2006 that half of the 7,000 members of his email communication network for 9/11 families thought the government was complicit in the attacks.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060709040719187
More “offended 9/11 family members” support ae911truth!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161621.0
Respected Leaders and Families Launch 9/11 Truth Statement Demanding Deeper Investigation into the Events of 9/11
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633
We, the undersigned Families, First Responders and Survivors of September 11 raise our voice with those from across our country and around the world in support of NYC CAN and the establishment of an independent, impartial subpoena powered investigation into the events surrounding the September 11 attacks on our nation.
http://nyccan.org/signatories.php
Scholars and Family Members Submit Request for Correction to 9/11 NIST Report
http://stj911.org/press_releases/NIST.html
Bryan Hunt, FDNY, retired 8-15 Years
“I retired from FDNY in 1998. I knew many of the guys who died in the WTC collapses. May they rest in peace. I’ve read tons of information re. the deaths of my brothers on 9/11. I’ve watched the videos, listened to the rantings on both sides. It wasn’t until 2006 that I began questioning the “official story” and did my own research. There is bad info on both sides, but I’ve concluded that the “official story” doesn’t add up. It sounds like a whitewash. The 9/11 Commission didn’t investigate anything–they just took statements. We need a real, independent investigation, with supeona powers. If the “offical” version is correct, so be it. And if heads are going to roll at any level of the government or military, so be it. Let’s do it, and let’s not be afraid of the truth. The brothers deserve that much.”
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469
tanabear • May 12, 2012 at 10:14 am
James Kust: “But I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for.”
The petition at the AE911Truth website reads:
“On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7.”
Why are you opposed to this?
Carl Herman • May 12, 2012 at 9:58 am
As a history teacher, I respectfully remind James Kust and readers that the US has indeed stooped so low many times in history to engage in lie-began wars to control resources and land. Abraham Lincoln as a freshman member of Congress had the intellectual integrity and moral courage to stand on the House floor and report that the US war on Mexico was in obvious violation of the Adams-Onis treaty that forever promised land ownership to Mexico for lands today in the SW US, and that this treaty proved the US President lied by 400 miles when he said Mexico invaded the US with “American blood shed on American soil.” The US had invaded Mexico by 400 miles according to the treaty, that Article 6 of the US Constitution states is US Supreme Law.
That’s just one example; here are about a dozen more: http://www.examiner.com/article/occupy-this-us-history-exposes-the-1-s-crimes-then-and-now-1-of-6
James Kust and readers should also understand war law, the legal victory all our families sacrificed through two world wars to win for us: no nation can use their military to attack unless another nation’s government attacks. The US wars are Orwellian unlawful, kill millions and cost US taxpayers trillions. Here’s that documentation: http://www.examiner.com/article/how-a-government-teacher-easily-proves-occupy-s-claim-of-us-war-crimes
So, yes, the US has and is stooping to murder on a colossal scale.
Professional academics demand that facts speak for themselves; this is the education stand since The Enlightenment, and never to believe government wouldn’t harm people! History shows us that governments have continually lied to harm people, usually for wars.
We all know that.
Andy Richards • May 12, 2012 at 4:38 am
Not too sure why you be opposed to 1600 named architects and engineers calling for better understanding of the three NY skyscraper collapses. Either the buildings had “secondary explosives” which were widely reported on the day or skyscrapers are fundamentally unsafe. Surely it would be good to know either way?
Jennie • May 12, 2012 at 3:11 am
It is apparent that the ones trying to dissuade the ever growing population becoming aware of that which is obvious, controlled demolitions, are paying publications like this in an attempt to accomplish it. Anyone with a brain can see it, and genuine science confirms it that the government is lying.
How is starting a war based on lies bringing hundreds of thousands of innocent people to an untimely death showing any kind of regard for humanity?
This article disgusts me, and many others as well.
rogermorris • May 11, 2012 at 11:48 pm
HOORAY student advocacy. Hats off to you ALL behind this initiative. Bravery is required to stand up to 911 Official Conspiracy Theory consciousness. To present forensic evidence of 911 atrocity OTHER THAN creatioNIST and Commission Reports is an act of courage, determination, truth and indicates power of education not dead yet. Stay strong.
With regard the author of this posts understanding of CONSTITUTION, I urge him to read Daniel HOPSICKER[Welcome to Terrorland:ATTA in Florida],Sibel EDMONDS[Classified Woman] and Susan LINDAUER[Extreme Prejudice] before opening up again on his understanding of ‘misinformed’.
honestjoe • May 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Critical independent thinkers don’t shut their selves off from ideas they find threatening.
I encourage you to start using independent thinking and the application of critical analysis to come to the “best” answer, (most defensible answer supported by the evidence and facts), instead of defending your position with an appeal to emotion rather than science.
Critical thinkers are open to having their cherished beliefs challenged, and must learn how to “defend” their views based on evidence and logic, NOT with emotions or by merely proclaiming that your views are “valid” because to think otherwise “is offensive” or by answering questions with other questions like; “how our government could be so evil”.
Your use of rationalizations and excuses in an attempt to dismiss the facts supported by the overwhelming evidence is a prime example of a simple minded anti-intellectual controlled by cognitive dissonance.
By now I would expect you should be fully aware that Cognitive dissonance happens when a closed minded individual learns the observable facts discovered through research and they immediately begin to bring up rationalizations and excuses in order to dismiss the significance of the information rather than reflect on or have a stimulating discussion regarding the implications of what the new information they have learned could mean.
The reason why some people have a hard time excepting new information and its implications is because some people have so much at stake in their beliefs they can’t comfortably learn any new information that might challenge those beliefs, so rather than seeking to educate themselves through stimulating conversations or research regarding such new information or differing opinions, they will do everything possible to remain ignorant and avoid hearing any course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood of those differing opinions with facts.
If there is a lot of built up psychological stake in a certain position or attitude and a piece of solid evidence comes in which conflicts with that position, it may be easier, psychologically, to dismiss the new information than alter the existing structure, belief/reality. This is called Cognitive dissonance.
You can imagine how ingrained psychological structures can be when a person is raised within a certain country, system, or reality. Growing up in the US, or any culture, for that matter, you will absorb an overwhelming number of messages about what is true, what is possible, and what is important.
Many of these messages are absorbed subconsciously and become part of the basic structure of our reality. Therefore People are biased to think of the system and or reality they have been raised in and taught by is correct, despite any contrary evidence.
You can often witness cognitive dissonance in action as people, despite the overwhelming evidence you have shown or presented to them, will try to avoid the psychological turmoil of facing the very disturbing implications of the truth.
Because the truth can sometimes shatter what a person believes and the reality they thought they knew some people subconsciously protect their beliefs/reality with willful ignorance rather than except the truth and its implications.
A person’s subconscious will protect their fragile beliefs from being exposed to any new facts that might jeopardize their reality, causing their heart rate to increase and their mood to become agitated, any time the slightest mention of a specific subject or fact that exposes the person to possibly new information that might challenge their fragile belief/reality. This is why there are topics that some people are too uncomfortable discussing because their subconscious is protecting their fragile beliefs.
According to your own writing you are too offended and therefore to biased and unable to apply independent thinking and the application of critical analysis on the subject of 9/11.
Joseph Goebbels said; “…there was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, ‘and this will always be the man in the street.’ Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology… Hatred and contempt must be directed at particular individuals.”
All you have to do is tell the citizens they are being attacked, and denounce the intellectuals for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
Mitch • May 11, 2012 at 9:00 pm
“Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth” is a con taking advantage of the usual gaps in government press releases and naive peaceniks. The head of the org (Gage)has a full time salary for so called “activism” that spawns cultish chapters across the country, some running their own scams.
http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/architects-engineers-for-911-truth.html
http://pdx911truthalliancedramatica.blogspot.com/2012/03/jack-jt-waldron.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2012/02/413910.shtml?discuss#396919
Treat like the plague.
Tim Ramsay • May 18, 2012 at 6:04 pm
In typical denier’s fashion; Mitch tries to attack the messenger instead of addressing the science.
Sirreal6 • May 11, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Well well..seems the comments are in favor of Mr. Kust remembering what he went to shool for – honest reporting.
It’s clear he knows none of the science of 911- much unlike all the posters in the comments. Yo Kust, kill the emotional thing and try the scientific method for a change.
A. Zuberi • May 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Dear Mr. James Kust,
I appreciate the manner in which you conveyed your message. The University of Waterloo, which is the equivalent of MIT in Canada, also approved years ago the “The University of Waterloo 9/11 Research Group”. Website: http://uwaterloo911.wordpress.com/
The group organized over a dozen presentations with academics that the general public found to be highly informative and important. The presentations were based on papers that were published in peer-reviewed papers in journals.
I am directing a film entitled “9/11 in Academic Community” and it won an award at the University of Toronto Film Fest. I hope to share the documentary with Mr. Kust.
Scott C • May 11, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Should read “Red/ Gray Chips” and “multiple dust samples”
Scott C • May 11, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Mr Kust,
Please explain the Red/Gray found in multiple independently collected dust sample the day of the attacks. Dr. Niels Harrit has said it best when asked “well, how did they get all those explosives in the buildings?” Dr. Harrits’ response – “on pallets”
Tim Ramsay • May 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm
State of the art, military grade, nano-thermite.
(Not produced in a cave in Afghanistan)
Mick McCrohon • May 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I do not understand why anyone would object to the investigation of unanswered question related to the events of 9/11.
It took the Bush Administration over 400 days to start an “Official Investigation” but the evidence was being removed within hours of the tragedy .I never say 9/11 was “an inside job” but there is extensive proof that people on the “inside” help in the cover up of aspects of that day. To add suspicion to the whole Investigation process President Bush and Vice President Cheney refused to testify before the 9/11 Commission unless a list of conditions were applied. Those condition included but where not limited to “They would only appear together and not individually”,”No witnesses where allowed to view their testimony “,”no electronic recording would be allowed of their testimony” ,” no notes where to be taken by the Commissioners during the giving of testimony ” ,”no family members question where to be put to either President Bush or Vice President Cheney ” etc. ,etc..
This behaviour is inconsistent with an open and comprehensive investigation .
Further more new evidence has come forward since the original investigation and N.I.S.T.’s failure to explain the collapse of WTC7 in a way that corresponds with video evidence surely justifies the need of a new world class scientific forensic investigation into the event that justified the commencement of the eternal “war on terror” .
Steve Soldus • May 11, 2012 at 6:11 pm
As a survivor of the World Trade Center attacks, I am offended by James Kust’s shameless use of the names of the family members of the victims to smear those seeking the truth about 9/11. Many of the family members who lost loved ones that day have signed the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition for an independent investigation and it’s the family members who started the Remember Building 7 campaign.
It’s clear that Kust is simply ignorant of the basic facts of the 9/11 attacks and lacks to courage to face them.
Tim Ramsay • May 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm
That gives me an idea. Perhaps we can get the family members who go to the annual memorial services to say, “victim of controlled demolition” along with the victim’s name as they call them off.
Hetware • May 11, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Ok, take the reverse view. Suppose AE911Truth.org is correct. Then where does your patriotism lead you?
Adam Syed • May 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm
James Kust is guilty of what many other deniers of the truth behind 9/11 are guilty of. He uses a logical fallacy called “argument from personal incredulity.” This is no different than a kid refusing to believe Santa is fake because he can’t imagine that his parents, aunts, uncles and early teachers could “stoop so low” as to deceive him for a good 6-7 years of his life. Mr. Kust’s personal belief that high ranking U.S. officials and associated interest groups would never “stoop so low” does nothing whatsoever to debunk the fact that a third skyscraper, WTC7, suddenly imploded at 5:20 in the evening of 9/11, at absolute freefall acceleration.
Samantha • May 17, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Adam— hilarious and absolutely accurate response! So glad I’ve got a name for it now.. “argument from personal incredulity” – that’s precisely what this article is.
nik green • May 11, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The nation’s, and much of the world’s troubles can be traced back to the fallout from one single, catalytic event: the attacks of September 11, 2001.
*In any historical “national tragedies”, it has been customary and appropriate to set up a full inquiry within days. This was the case with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, both Space Shuttle accidents and the Pearl harbor attack. In contrast, the Bush Administration refused to authorize any inquiry for 441 days, and to add insult to injury, taking the bizarre decision to appoint Henry Kissinger as Commission chairman. Citing conflict of interest factors, he stepped down rather than reveal his client list. It took the heroic actions of a group of bereaved family members to force the Bush Administration into a response. Once the inquiry was finally authorized, with extreme and inexplicable reluctance on the part of the Bush White House, they then promised it would be the fullest investigation “no stones to be left unturned”. Unfortunately for us all, according to numerous knowledgeable parties including a number of senior Commission members, this was a very long way from the case.
*The Bush White House did everything in its power to derail the open inquiry. Then, when faced with its inevitability, “the president and his aides sought to limit its scope, its access and its funding”, according to the Commission’s co-chairs. It was also placed under severe time constraints.
*John Farmer, the lead counsel to the Commission, claims in his forthcoming book that the greater part of the Commission’s findings “are untrue”. He also states: “The Commission’s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”. Indeed, they said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements.
*Tom Daschle has said that Vice President Cheney requested him that there be no investigation into the 9/11 attacks.
John Farmer also said: “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. ”
*9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”
* Congressman Curt Weldon: (Re. 9/11 Commission) … there’s something very sinister going on here… something desperately wrong… This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people”.
* Senator Mark Dayton, Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Homeland Security: “[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission…the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence”.
* Congressman Ron Paul, Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee: “…the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation”
*9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”.
*9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”,” and also “at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened.
*The intimidation of witnesses in a criminal trial is a very serious offense. Throughout the 9/11 Commission hearings, Government “minders” aggressively intimidated Commission witnesses on a wholesale basis, with impunity.
*CIA chief Tenet demonstrably lied to the Commissioners in closed session meetings.
* Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh: “9/11 Commission] findings…. raises serious challenges to the commission’s credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself”
*Despite the common awareness in the intelligence and law enforcement community that torture is a counterproductive method of obtaining useful information, much of the Commission’s “evidence” was extracted by torturing suspects.
* Former VP Cheney most probably lied to the 9/11 Commission regarding his movements and whereabouts in the critical period of time shortly after the attacks started. The sworn testimony of former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta diametrically opposes what VP Cheney told the Commissioners in closed hearing. VP Cheney, as well as President Bush, refused to testify under oath.
* An E-4B plane was seen by numerous witnesses (and filmed by CNN cameras), flying above the DC area *before* the Pentagon was hit. If the Government had the foreknowledge to have a E-4B lifted and arrival over the D.C. restricted air space at the time of the attack, then why did the 9/11 Commission leave this out of their final report?
* After both President Bush and VP Cheney initially refused to testify to the Commission under oath, their testimony was secret, behind closed doors, no cameras or transcripts allowed, and no questions by reporters. Does “executive privilege” extend to this degree of obfuscation?
*A document recently discovered in the National Archives shows that, in a memo to the 9/11 Commission’s chairman and vice-chairman on false statements made by NORAD and FAA officials about the failure of US air defenses, the commission’s Executive Director Philip Zelikow failed to mention the possibility of a criminal referral. This supports allegations that Zelikow “buried” the option of a criminal referral by the commission to the Justice Department for a perjury investigation. The document was found at the National Archives by HistoryCommons contributor paxvector and posted to the History Commons site at Scribd.
* The overwhelming proportion of evidence, some 90% heard by the Commission was not included in the Commission’s final report; this report has been described as a classic example of “dry labbing”. In scientific circles this means “starting out with a theory, which you then prove by omitting all contrary material. The responsibility for this fiasco clearly fell with the Commission’s executive director, Philip Zelikow, a Bush White House official, who determined which material was to be published, and which was to be ignored and erased.
* “We know we never have learned the truth, it’s as simple as that,” says Lorie Van Auken of East Brunswick, one of the most ardent supporters of the creation of the 9/11 commission in 2002. It was headed by former New Jersey governor Thomas H. Kean.
“Members and staff of the 9/11 commission have said many of the questions raised by the attacks have never been answered.”
*Both 9/11 Commission co-chairs Kean and Hamilton haves stated publicly that the 9/11 Commission was “deliberately set up to fail” by the Bush/Cheney White House. The 9/11 Commission Report is no better than a 571 page lie.
In the light of this information, the 9/11 Commission was clearly at the very best, severely hobbled; at the worst, it was bogus, a complete failure, its conclusions worthless garbage: a national disgrace with treasonous implications. According to the latest polls, the nation is divided about 50:50 on either supporting a new, real, no-holds barred investigation with full subpoena powers… or to let the matter rest and “move on”. This latter group is clearly either unaware of the facts behind the 9/11 Commission’s failure, or do not want to know. America and the world deserves far better than to let the matter rest; we are now in the insane situation that the worst crime of our lifetime remains uninvestigated, unsolved, and unpunished. Our alleged representatives in Washington DC appear to have closed ranks in keeping this nasty chapter in our history secret.
This goes way beyond the left-right paradigm. If the 10s of millions of people asking the difficult questions are all “conspiracy theorists”, then the US Government shouldn’t have any difficulty addressing these questions and evidence.
Chasmosaur • May 11, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Wow – AE911 Truth has over 1,600 engineers and architects that believe 9/11 was actually a government set up. Impressive number – less than 1% of the estimated number of architects practicing in the USA today, without adding in architectural and other building-related engineers.
I think NCSE needs to expand “Project Steve.”
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve
Victoria N. Alexander • May 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm
The number of building professionals who have defended the official story is much less than 1600.
SagarD • May 17, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Excellent point, I would like to also point out that one of the official story defenders, lead engineer for NIST conceded the free fall acceleration of WTC 7 after being confronted by some one who made careful measurements. The officials acknowledged free fall in their publication but just shrugged if off hoping most people will not notice.
Victoria N. Alexander • May 17, 2012 at 1:07 pm
“Project Steve” refers to the claim that 1% of the scientific community may critique the idea of evolution, but this doesn’t mean that these scientists are right. The link provided by Chasmosaur notes,
“Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence.”
I’m a philosopher of biology, and I have never heard of a biologist who doubts that evolution has occurred. What is doubted is that all “living things share a common ancestry” because there is evidence that life may have had several separate origins, and there is evidence that species trade genomes through lateral gene transfer. Moreover, “natural selection” may be much less important a mechanism than hybridization, transposons, lateral gene transfer, and symbiogenesis.
What’s relevant to this discussion is the fact that for years a minority of scientists, less than 1%, have struggled against the neoDarwinian perspective, and they have finally begun to be recognized for their work. I note Lynn Margulis, James Shapiro and Robert G. B. Reid in particular. Lynn was a 9/11 truther, not incidentally. It takes a special kind of person to stand up against conformity.
Either way, it’s a good thing we don’t have to depend upon authority to know the truth. We have the scientific method to turn to instead.
SagarD • May 17, 2012 at 7:16 pm
With or without those 1600+ architects and engineers, the evidence speaks for itself (especially that of WTC 7). What people believe is not what is most relevant or significant, it is what HAS BEEN FIGURED OUT through the application of CRITICAL THINKING based on SCIENCE and COMMON SENSE.
Robert D Hass Jr • May 18, 2012 at 11:18 pm
After reading your comments it’s amazing that you have completely missed the point – or I should say – the POINTS made by AE911Truth about the uninformed and confused author of this article calling AE911Truth members uninformed and confused, when in actuality it is he and now you who are uniformed and confused.
Either you did not read any of the comments from AE911Truth members which explains their evidence and their clearly stated position that AE911Truth does not point fingers as to who may be responsible for the destruction at the WTC towers, or it’s likely, you shouldn’t even be in college (I’m assuming of course that you are in college, perhaps that’s my mistake.)
In your comments you state:
“Wow – AE911 Truth has over 1,600 engineers and architects that believe 9/11 was actually a government set up.”
Then, you want to mockingly equate AE911Truth with evolution deniers.
Quite frankly,evolution has not been proved to be absolute scientific fact beyond doubt. Perhaps you feel it is proven beyond a doubt, but you would be mistaken. The scientific theory of evolution explains only the causes of evolution, as distinct from the more straightforward factual claim that the process of evolution occurs.That evolution is the genesis of the human race has not necessarily been proven beyond a doubt.
The evidence that AE911Truth has regarding implosion caused by pre-positioned explosives is not beyond doubt either. However, based on the lack of scientific evidence in the official government version and the FACT that the science and the conclusions of the NIST and FEMA reports violate the laws of physics – in particular Newtonian law – which is based in metaphysics, which is universal law that is the same every day,those associated with AE911Truth believe – based on evidence that does not violate the laws of physics – but are validated by the laws of physics in particular Newtonian law – that AE911Tuth evidence and conclusions are accurate in what actually did cause the collapses of the 3 WTC buildings.
Matter of fact, because AE911Truth evidence and conclusions show not only that this is how implosion by pre-positioned explosives causes buildings to collapse, but actually proves as well that this is what caused the WTC towers to collapse, in my opinion, the AE911Truth theory about what happened at the WTC towers on 9-11 is better theory than the theory of evolution.However, until that is proven it is only my opinion, so I would never be arrogant enough to mock evolution or for that matter, as long as evolution is not proven beyond doubt I would never mock intelligent design.
I will lay-out the points in AE911Truth comments that it seems you missed.
1)( From Andrew Steel’s comments) There’s a noticeable lack of information cited in this (Mr.Kust’s) article that attempts to call others “misinformed”. (When you claim someone’s info is bogus you need to actually cite your own info to counter it and not simply express your outrage …the literary equivalent of balling your fists and screaming “shut up!”). When I read this article I see nothing but the same hastily written, fill-in-the-blank sentimentality that the pundit hacks on TV cower behind when they can’t make a rational argument.
My comment to you: You make the same mistake that Mr. Kust made. You want to mock AE911Truth and it is your information that is wrong leaving yourself open to being the one who deserves to be mocked. (see especially #2 & #3 & #4)
2)(From most everyone’s comments)1,600 engineers and architects at AE911Truth DO NOT believe 9/11 was actually a government set up.
3)Not one official representative of AE911Truth believes that 9/11 was actually a government set up.
4)At no time has AE911Truth implied that we believe 9/11 was actually a government set up.
5)(From the above comments of Peter D Moorse PE)Our(AE911Truth)only claim is that the USG’s version of the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC7, as put forth in the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST and FEMA reports, cannot possibly be true (scientifically impossible, to be more precise).
6)(From several commenters)The 9-11commission – NIST and FEMA reports ignore scientific evidence, especially the NIST and FEMA reports which ignore and even violate the laws of physics in particular Newtonian law.
7)The 9-11 commission did not give the proper credibility to or completely ignored eyewitness.
8)(From my comments)The 9-11 commission report was a fraud that was paid for by the tax payers money – my tax money. I have the right to ask for a new investigation after many of the commissioners stated that they were lied to by military official who were under oath.
In conclusion,the AE911Truth evidence is clearly laid-out in the comments on this article. If you would have read them or – if you did indeed read them – you should have read them until you clearly understood the AE911Truth evidence and their position on who done it. Then, you would not have made the mistake of mocking the AE911Truth organization and I would not have had to spent the last hour correcting you with this God awfully-long retort.
Sincerely and with respect, RDHjr
Henry • May 21, 2012 at 8:03 am
Chasmosaur, signing on to http://ae911truth.org comes with a career risk that many people are not willing to take. There are many people who reject the government’s impossible, intelligence insulting 9-11 conspiracy theory, but for obvious reasons, do not go public with their views.
Do you disagree with any of the research presented at http://911speakout.org ? The research proves beyond any and all doubt that the towers and WTC7 were brought down by controlled demolition. If you believe any of the research presented is in error, please cite it and tell us what you’re disputing and why, exactly.
Victoria N. Alexander • May 25, 2012 at 7:35 am
“Project Steve” refers to the claim that 1% of the scientific community may critique the idea of evolution, but this doesn’t mean that these scientists are right. The link provided by Chasmosaur notes,
“Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence.”
I’m a philosopher of biology, and I have never heard of a biologist who doubts that evolution has occurred. What is doubted is that all “living things share a common ancestry” because there is evidence that life may have had several separate origins, and there is evidence that species trade genomes through lateral gene transfer. Moreover, “natural selection” may be much less important a mechanism than hybridization, transposons, lateral gene transfer, and symbiogenesis.
What’s relevant to this discussion is the fact that for years a minority of scientists, less than 1%, have struggled against the neoDarwinian perspective, and they have finally begun to be recognized for their work. I note Lynn Margulis, James Shapiro and Robert G. B. Reid in particular. Lynn was a 9/11 truther, not incidentally. It takes a special kind of person to stand up against conformity.
Either way, it’s a good thing we don’t have to depend upon authority to know the truth. We have the scientific method to turn to instead.
Orangutan. • May 11, 2012 at 12:34 pm
9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
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The Facts Speak for Themselves
http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/
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andrew • May 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm
it was done most likely not by “the government” per se….but a network of some powerful people inside the government and outside, foreign government individuals as well….many in “the government” are struggling to figure out what happened like senator bob kerry who said it was a 30 year conspiracy, or senator bob graham who points out the direct link to the saudi arabian government…
Andrew Steele • May 11, 2012 at 10:33 am
There’s a noticeable lack of information cited in this article that attempts to call others “misinformed”. (When you claim someone’s info is bogus you need to actually cite your own info to counter it and not simply express your outrage …the literary equivalent of balling your fists and screaming “shut up!”). When I read this article I see nothing but the same hastily written, fill-in-the-blank sentimentality that the pundit hacks on TV cower behind when they can’t make a rational argument. In all fairness, the author is probably young and just regurgitating what he hears on TV because it’s popular to do so and he doesn’t yet know how bankrupt the ‘patriotic outrage’ style of arguing is. Americans are seeing through it more and more every day, and I can assure you the future of journalism is not going to be that for too many more years. Still, despite my empathy for the author’s naivety, if you want to pick a fight with an organization you better be ready to know what you’re talking about.
“To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.”
Really? What planet do you live on? As terrible a tragedy as 9/11 was that collateral damage body count is nothing compared to what governments have done to their people throughout history. I know the tube and our educational system brands the idea in our minds that only people with funny accents are capable of doing evil…but give me a break. Power attracts those who want it the most, and those who get it are the ones who are willing to do the most (and the worst) to get it. That’s true in every nation, including ours.
Funny thing is, the organization you’re attacking doesn’t even get into questioning who did what as policy. Instead it only focuses on what brought down the buildings and calls for a new scientific investigation of that.
“It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day, and it’s offensive to Americans who, naively or not, exercise a degree of faith in those who lead them.”
You got to be careful when you use the word “every” because it overlooks these people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9meDbrlP8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHIj9wzbYGQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zDSM1PrVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsbsv39eYxI
“Defaming this tragedy by dragging everyone involved in it through the dirt is a tragedy in and of itself.”
Or you could say it’s a murder investigation, depending on the level of emotion you approach the situation with. If a little girl is found murdered in her secure house and the police question the role of the parents in the murder, is that dragging them through the mud, or trying to find out what happened?
The author here wrote, “As many know, there exists a noteworthy movement that claims the events of 9/11 were an “inside job” — a purposeful act orchestrated by our government and special interest groups designed, depending on who you ask, to increase oil revenues or seize foreign lands, among other claims.”
I know, it’s not like oil companies profited (as well other industries making money from war), and foreign lands were seized as a result of 9/11. How silly.
Here’s the deal– nobody is going to be convinced either way based on this article or any of its comments of either perspective regarding 9/11. The best way to go about it is to hear both sides free of emotion and appeals to patriotic sentimentality. Here’s one of the organization’s presentations. Watch at your leisure and decide for yourself.
Blueprint for Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o
God Bless.
Andrew Steele
Tim Ramsay • May 10, 2012 at 9:41 pm
The Declaration of Independence concludes by saying,
“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”.
1700 Architect and Engineers have put their Careers, their Reputations and their Lives on the line to speak the Truth about controlled demolition on 911. And I extend that honor to anyone you will stand with us. http://www.AE91Truth.org/
Jonathan Cole • May 10, 2012 at 7:46 pm
The implication that our government was somehow involved is only improbable. But the violation of fundamental thermodynamic and Newtonian laws is totally impossible, trumping any implied improbababilities.
There is a very good reason why the fall of the twin towers was never explained by the NIST or wtc 7 even mentioned in the 9/11 Comission report. They also never addressed the iron microspheres, the source of the sulfur causing the eutectic steel, the uniform acceleration, the strange fall of the core columns after the main destruction, or the total freefall of building 7 for over 100 feet.
Something is very very wrong with the story, and hence the reason for so many to question what really happened. Unlike people, politics , and our institutions, the laws of physics don’t lie or really care about who is offended.
Peter D. Morse P.E. • May 10, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Mr. Kust:
Of AE911Truth.org and its supporters, over 1,600 of whom are degreed or degreed & State licensed Architects and Engineers such as myself, you wrote, “To imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.”
I am the 42nd Petition Signer at AE911Truth.org (5/2007) and a former Board Member of the non-profit organization. I can assure you that at no time has the organization implied that “our government would stoop so low.” Our only claim is that the USG’s version of the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC7, as put forth in the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST and FEMA reports, cannot possibly be true (scientifically impossible, to be more precise). Further, the USG’s version blatantly ignores overwhelming physical evidence, eyewitness testimony of FDNY first responders available to the 9/11 Commission, and Newtonian proofs of the presence of an energy source – in massive quantity – in addition to the force of Gravity, which is the only destructive force the USG version allows for. The USG’s reporting is blatantly false but was paid for by our tax dollars: I do not consider it “offensive” to demand fair use of my tax dollars, I consider my responsibility as a tax paying citizen.
When I earned my professional engineering license I was required to take an oath to protect the public in my practice of engineering. I view my support of AE911Truth.org’s Petition to Congress for a renewed investigation with subpoena power as a fulfillment of the oath I took to protect the public (including you and your Editors). You see, given my education, 20 years of engineering practice and professional licensure, I am qualified to provide an opinion on the publicly available evidence and the USG’s reporting of the destruction of the 3 towers and I can categorically state to you and the rest of the public that the USG’s explanation is false, cannot possibly be true, and ignores much extant physical evidence, incontrovertible mathematical proofs, and eyewitness testimony of significant destructive energy sources not allowed in the USG version.
Through the work of many dedicated citizens of many countries, not just the US, we have learned much about that destructive energy source such as its chemical make-up and its destructive energy potential but we have no idea who put it in the 3 buildings and when it was placed. We do not pretend to know who would, as you put it, “stoop so low” but we do want to find out. To that end, we trust the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth: College Outreach Team will flourish at the University of Wisconsin and we heartily support them.
Let me offer you a challenge if you are so “vehemently opposed to everything we stand for” (Really? You oppose scientific inquiry of forensic evidence?). Test our claims yourself, you need only rely on your science education and your own common sense and native intuition. As we have said to countless detractors, “Please, prove us wrong – we would give anything to be proven wrong! We could quit this work and get on with our lives.”
Sadly, no one has been able to.
One more thing: Thomas Kean, former governor of New Jersey, was Chair of the 9/11 Commission. In August, 2006, in a story in the Washington Post headlined, “9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon” (Do you consider that offensive?) Kean was quoted saying, “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us. It was just so far from the truth. It’s one of those loose ends that never got tied.” In other words, the Chair of the Commission said, on the record, that NORAD lied to the Commission. I myself do find that lie to be one of many offensive ones told to us by the USG.
BTW, the former Chair of the Commission is a relative of mine. I am not sorry if you find us offensive.
Joe D'Angelo • May 10, 2012 at 4:46 pm
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Joe D'Angelo • May 10, 2012 at 4:43 pm
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/07/911-shattering-the-spell-of-mythical-realities/#.T6weA0TiXOo.facebook
This article reviews critically important evidence that contradicts key aspects of the official version of 9/11. This evidence has either been ignored by the mainstream media or smeared with the mind-numbingly absurd label of ‘conspiracy theory’.
9/11: Shattering the Spell of Mythical Realities
http://www.veteranstoday.com
Have we been lied to about 9/11? What kind of world do you want your children to grow up in? By the end of this article you will have the answer to your first question. What you do with the answer will determine your answer to the second question.
Joe D'Angelo • May 10, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Dear Mr. Kust,
AE911Truth does not name names, or point fingers. Before one can assume who dunnit and why, one must know what it is. We deal solely with forensic, scientific evidence about the controlled destruction of
three WTC hi-rises, demanding truly independent subpoena powered investigation. The rest will come out in the wash, as the saying goes.
Any high school student with a critical thinking mind, in Physics class is taught about Newton’s Laws of Motion and Thermo-dynamics.
On: “what is it about people that makes them willingly deny the evidence and the truth,” here is an indication in reply ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGgAk1AbA4 ~
Psychologists help 9/11 truth deniers
http://www.youtube.com
Psychologists help out the conspiracy theorists that won’t let go of the official conspiracy theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Joe D'Angelo • May 10, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Dear Mr. Kust,
Uncertain whether you are merely, sorely mistaken at best, or, suffering from ‘Cognitive Dissonance,’ a federal government shill, or, just plain blind at worst.
I read your piece and sigh: What a dope.
AE911Truth does not name names, or point fingers. Before one can assume who dunnit and why, one must know what it is. Any high school student with a critical thinking mind, in Physics class is taught about Newton’s Laws of Motion and Thermo-dynamics.
On: “what is it about people that makes them willingly deny the evidence and the truth,” here is an indication in reply ~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEGgAk1AbA4 ~
Psychologists help 9/11 truth deniers
http://www.youtube.com
Psychologists help out the conspiracy theorists that won’t let go of the official conspiracy theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Robert Hass • May 10, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Dear moderator or editor,
In the spirit of campus diversity, and to promote tolerance for another’s point of view, their values and beliefs; and in support of an officially sanctioned student-organization, I ask this question; why, does the author of the article regarding the new 9-11 Studies on-campus student-organization think he can insult their point-of-view, their beliefs, ideas or values i.e. calling, the 9-11 truth movement’s and the new 9-11 Studies student-organization’s ideas, beliefs, and point of view, confused and misinformed. These insults towards the 9-11 Truth movement and the new on-campus, officially sanctioned 9-11 Studies student-organization are no different than showing intolerance towards race, nationality, gender, philosophical, and religious ideas, beliefs, values, etc.
Never, have I seen in a college newspaper, that when announcing a new student-organization, that organizations purpose, Idea’s or point-of-view attacked and insulted.
What about the Spectator allowing the insults and intolerance of another’s ideas, values or beliefs to be published? Then, when I post comments in response to this article taking him to task for his ignorance of the 9-11 truth movement, its evidence, its conclusions, and insulting our ideas, beliefs, and point-of-view, and challenge his journalistic skills, the moderator refuses to post my comments. (At least I haven’t seen my comments connected to the article.)
Yeah, I was hard on the articles author, calling a spade a spade. If it acts like a duck – walks like a duck – sounds like a duck, I’m going to call it what it is i.e. a duck. Where is my first amendment right to defend my point of view, my ideas, my values, or my beliefs?
The author of the article is not just insulting and attacking the abstract ideas of the 9-11 Truth movement. These are insults directed towards the members of an officially sanctioned University of Wisconsin- Eau Claire on-campus 9-11 Studies student-group. I would like to be allowed the opportunity to exercise my right to respond in defense of the 9-11 truth movement and the UWE 9-11 Studies student-organization, against the insults that the author of this article put on the movement as well as the members of the group. The Spectator can afford me that right by allowing my comments to post. Or, does the Spectator support intolerance that attacks ideas and stifles the education process?
adviser • May 13, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Dear Mr. Hass,
It is not The Spectator’s policy to approve or reject an opinion column based on whether it could offend someone or not. Yes, we published Mr. Kust’s column — and the opinions stated in that column are his own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of The Spectator or its staff — but you and anyone else are also welcome to respond by writing a column of your own, a letter to the editor or commenting on the article, as you will see that many have.
The Spectator reserves the right to moderate the comments in order to try to preserve some thought-provoking discussion and avoid personal attacks, unnecessary profanity or libelous statements. As you perhaps have noticed, your comment was approved. The reason it took longer than you probably would have liked is simply because there is no one person on staff whose sole job is to moderate comments, which means that it will take us longer, as a staff, to get around to moderating the comments. As students, our class work comes first.
I apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your patience.
Sincerely,
Carolyn Tiry
Editor in Chief
Glenn Simcox • May 10, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Sadly, I’m afraid that the next false flag will be undertaken long before the people of America wake up to the reality of this one. And the next one will be the one that plunges us into complete government control. Keep fighting the good fight AE911!
Brian Good • May 10, 2012 at 10:34 am
Mr. Kust, respect can best be shown to the dead and to their survivors by demanding full and honest investigations. The 9/11 widows gave 300 questions to the 9/11 Commission, and were told that these would serve as a road map for the investigation. When the report was issued, they checked and found that only 27 of their questions had been adequately answered.
http://www.justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php
ResearchGuy • May 10, 2012 at 10:19 am
“Defaming this tragedy by dragging everyone involved in it through the dirt is a tragedy in and of itself.”
“Everyone involved in it” would include the hijackers, the planners, etc. according to the official story. Raise your hand if you think those people don’t deserve something more than being dragged through the dirt.
“Ten years later, we’re still trying to understand what happened that day.”
Apparently some of us are trying harder than others — and having more success.
The uncritical thinking behind this editorial is disturbing to see in someone who is apparently attending an institution of higher learning. I hope I never have to go inside a building designed by Mr. Kust, or have children who get taught by him in school. However, he does exhibit habits of thought that would suit him well for a career in government or the media.
WTC Building #7, a 47-story high-rise not hit by an airplane, exhibited all the characteristics of classic controlled demolition with explosives:
Rapid onset of collapse
Sounds of explosions at ground floor – a second before the building’s destruction
Symmetrical “structural failure” – through the path of greatest resistance – at free-fall acceleration
Imploded, collapsing completely, and landed in its own footprint
Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
Expert corroboration from the top European controlled demolition professional
Foreknowledge of “collapse” by media, NYPD, FDNY
In the aftermath of WTC7’s destruction, strong evidence of demolition using incendiary devices was discovered:
FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples
Several tons of molten metal reported by numerous highly qualified witnesses
Chemical signature of the incendiary thermite found in solidified molten metal, and dust samples
WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
Slow onset with large visible deformations
Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed.
The Twin Towers’ destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
Extremely rapid onset of destruction
Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
1200-foot-diameter debris field: no “pancaked” floors found
Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
Evidence of explosives found in dust samples
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:
Slow onset with large visible deformations
Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)
Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed — including in the case of a 1975 fire in the North Tower.
Robert Hass • May 9, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Dear Idealist,
Your attack and Insults towards the 9-11 Truth movement and the new, officially sanctioned University of Wisconsin – Eau Claire, on-campus 9-11 Studies student-organization, as confused and misinformed, is weak journalism – if it’s journalism at all. I can say with all confidence, based on your article, that anyone in the 9-11 Truth movement, even if for just one day, is more informed in regards to the attacks on 9-11 than you. By the end of these comments we will know who is the confused-one.
I commend the courageous students of the new on-campus 9-11 studies student-organization. Your search for the truth is a bold action not often enough seen in college students today. I further commend you for your ability to think for yourself, to apply critical-thinking, and to come to your own conclusions. I encourage you not to let the weak-minded discourage you.
When I say the “weak-minded,” I am referring to those persons un-educated in regards to the 9-11 Truth movements evidence, beliefs and ideas, or those who will attack the 9-11 Truth movement out-of-hand without applying critical-thought to our evidence or the events at the World Trade Center on 9-11. I am referring as well, to those among you who have not looked at the evidence of what happened at the World Trade Center on 9-11, but have formed a conclusion based on what they are told to believe, blindly following the powers-that-be. It is a critical-thinking problem on their part.
Your arrogant and ignorant contemporaries, who have not looked at the evidence of the WTC tower implosions by controlled demolition, will mock you and call you a misinformed and confused 9-11 “truther”. I too am a “9-11 truther”. If we weren’t 9-11 truthers – well, then we’d be 9-11 liars, wouldn’t we? In actuality, that’s what our detractors are; liars – whether know it or not.
These unquestioning baby-fascists feel like they are knowledgeable enough to spew the official party-line, but are too lazy-minded to ever look at a shred of evidence, putting no critical thought to the events of 9-11. They are mentally lazy and easily swayed by propaganda. They are the true enemies of freedom and liberty, along with the authoritarian fascist-elite (.01 of the 1%er’s) who spread the lies about the events of 9-11.
Breaking the will of the people in their search for the truth is the chief objective of the authoritarian-elite and their minions, who blindly accept their mission to spread the lies, not knowing what they are doing. These minions are in a zombie-type state of mind repeating what they hear from others, unable to form their own conclusions.
Since 9-11, the authoritarian elite have attacked the will of the American people with a fascist-ferocity of a daily propaganda-missile to the brain through the complicit mainstream media, as well as assaulting our freedom and liberty via the patriot act.
The modern media is not journalism (neither is the student-author’s article, which is nothing more than a regurgitation of talking points that he heard someone else say). It is a violent assault on the mind. It is more deadly than a gulag. No need for imprisonment in a gulag for re-education, you are a prisoner in all your life, chained to your multimedia devices that spoon-feed you the dis-information of the fascist regime. The disinformation spewed by mainstream media is a violent assault directed at the defenseless psyche of the weak-minded viewer and reader.
Truthers, the arrogant and ignorant among your contemporaries, who speak against your courageous search for the truth, will one day fit nicely with these fascists. Try to educate them to save themselves from themselves and to stop them from joining the dis-information war. There is an info-war going on. The war is for total ownership of your mind. Learn more at:
http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.tv
Under the stress of psychological warfare, individuals can do on or the other; submit and accept the government’s version of reality, or they fiercely resist with great mental force. This is the history of the struggle against tyranny.
Accepting the official version of the 9-11 events without critical thought or investigation of the evidence is an admission of mental submission – the acceptance of their weak mind. Only mental resistance can deny the government the power to enslave a mind.
Engaging in the mental resistance against the psychological machinery of totalitarian, fascist state-power is crucial if we want to restore our freedom, our liberty, the Bill of Rights and the rule of law of the constitution that has been stolen from us through the Patriot Act.
Make no mistake – the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) effectively suspends habeas corpus and according to the NDAA the government can kill you without a trial. The fascist regime has declared the U.S. as a battlefield in the pseudo-war against terror making what’s left of the Bill of Rights worthless.
The fascists are waiting for a civil emergency (likely, another false-flag) to announce the fact that we are under martial-law. We’ve been under martial-law since 9-11. They haven’t said so, but the Patriot Act makes it so and the NDAA takes away any doubt.
The danger is not in telling the truth and being mocked by the envious arrogant and ignorant, or even silenced by the thought police. The danger is in believing the lies, thus helping the fascists to enslave the truth-seekers and the truth speakers. In the battle between lies and death – versus – truth and life, the only sane choice is to be on the side of truth and life. And guess what? Truth has always won throughout the history of man-kind. That’s how we have survived this long. That’s why seeking and finding the truth is paramount if you want to live a long, happy, prosperous life filled with freedom and liberty.
When one recognizes that they are being lied to about who are the true perpetrators of a crime against them, one need only look at who benefited most from the crime to find the truth. So, who benefited from the following 9-11 facts?
The Patriot Act: The fascist regime.
The Afghanistan and Iraq wars: for the benefit of those in the military industrial-complex who profit from perpetual war or the “forever war” as they call the pseudo war-on-terror. This is now goes on forever; a lucrative proposition for these war-mongers.
The obsolete and aged WTC towers: have been razed for the owners who were facing a multi-million dollar price tag to eliminate the asbestos problem in the towers or close them down, or face potential financially devastating lawsuits.
The owners of the WTC towers – in particular building number 7: who, in the months before 9-11 insured the buildings against terrorism and received multimillion dollar insurance settlements after 9-11.
Those who knew ahead of time and profited by shorting airline stock: The Justice Department has been asked to track these people, a doable task, but the powers-that-be refuse. Apparently, AG Holder is too busy fast and furiously selling guns to drug gangs in Mexico.
These few examples of the beneficiaries of 9-11 are all indisputable fact. The only winners from the 9-11 attacks it seems are the elite insiders. Al Qaeda or the Taliban sure didn’t benefit. They got cruise missiles and bunker- buster shoved-up their keisters. What does that tell you?
The author of the article that I’m responding to writes:
“….to imply that our government would stoop so low, that our leaders are so driven by greed (And power – me) that 2,996 deaths are simply collateral damage can only be described as offensive.” (Give me a break. How naively uniformed can a want-to-be journalist be)
It is sad that this, I assume a want-to-be journalist, is not willing to do the work to find out just how easily the ruling elite are willing to sacrifice your life or the life of many. Apparently, the author has not looked at the lies behind the Tonken Gulf Resolution that justified the escalation of the Viet Nam war and killed 50,000 boys and men.
In 1964, the Tonken Golf Resolution was a false-flag operation perpetrated by the Johnson administration that created the lie that an American PT boat was attacked by the Vietnamese. This lie was used to escalate the war. A war the American people did not want, so they had to create a false-flag to convince America to go to war in Viet Nam. (Hum, I wonder if the American people would have supported the Iraq and Afghanistan wars without 9-11. Very interesting – what do you think?) The Tonken Gulf lie cost 50,000 American boys and men their lives. This false-flag lie is a criminal act perpetrated by the U.S. government on its own citizens costing 50,000 innocent lives. This is not someone’s interpretation of events. This is agreed upon, by historians of all world-views, as historical fact.
In that same war, the CIA waged an illegal clandestine war in Cambodia murdering thousands – perhaps 10’s of thousands. Read the Pentagon Papers for the truth.
How about the million-plus Iraqi’s killed in “the lies-about-WMD’s” war in Iraq, and what was it, 6 or 8 thousand U.S. boys and men? For what purpose – WAR PROFITS AND EMPIRE AMBITIONS – nothing else. These were wars of choice not necessity that would not have happened if not for 9-11. The American people would not have supported the wars “without a new pearl harbor” (In “quotes” from the Project for a New American Century [PNAC]; principles- Cheney – Rumsfeld – Pearl – Wolfowitz – et al neo-cons.
So, I don’t want to hear about your naive – more likely your pseudo-feelings of being offended by 9-11 truth presenting clear and convincing evidence that rouge-elements within our government murdered nearly 3000 people on 9-11.
Want to see more about how “low” these fascists have “stooped.” Visit this website:
http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/global_debat/2002-1126_us_imp_basic_stats.htm
For an explanation of the physics at work at the WTC towers on 9-11, visit:
http://physics911.net/
Members of the 9-11 studies student-group – keep up your courageous, heroic efforts to find the truth. There are plenty of true patriots with you and our numbers are growing and our traction gets stronger every day.
The rest of you – WAKE-UP!!! And help them!!! We’re losing our country!!!
timothy price • May 9, 2012 at 9:09 am
My original comment has not appeared, has been deleted, so will try again.
This article represents the typical response that the perpetrators of the 9/11 myth use: to deny the possibility of explosives with the question a question “how our government could be so evil” as to allow or to participate is such a murder? Just as if this question will change the data,; they then go on to dismiss the findings as being “offensive”. Facts are offensive????
I’ll tell you what is offensive: it is the editorial policy to print such garbage in a college paper. If there is any doubt about our educational system, who controls it and for whom it is to benefit, here is a good example of the propaganda machine running free to protect this lie.
It is not ignorance that produces this stuff, it is malice, it is intentional dissuasion from facts to emotional fantasy. We know for sure that explosive planted in the WTC caused the collapse. We know that NIST has lied and covers-up. We know that Congress covers up. We know that real patriots will not surrender their freedom to liars who murder for power. Machiavelli tells us that if deception and murder are used to gain power, once it is gained, these people do not become nice people. We will resist them, we will remove them, we will restore a free press, a free people, and an honest government in an honorable nation.
Daniel Noel • May 8, 2012 at 11:53 pm
This article demonstrates primarily, alas, a baffling ignorance by the editors who let it through. I just publicly challenged them (http://www.global-platonic-theater.com/Censors,%20Handling/Challenging%20on%20Baby%20Step/uwec%20spectator.htm) to refute the elementary conspiracy class of http://www.911babystep.com.
Love,
David Cole • May 8, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Hello Mr. Kust,
I urge you to review this 15 minute production about the collapse of WTC7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw
Please pay particular attention to the family members who support the AE911Truth.org call for a new investigation.
The family members deserve to know the truth. Please reconsider your statement:
“It’s offensive to every family member and friend of those who lost their lives that day…”
Were you aware that it was the family members who lobbied Congress to form the 9/11 Commission? Were you aware that they were thoroughly dissatisfied with the Report? I urge you to review this very important documentary–PRESS FOR TRUTH:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-press-for-truth/
Thank you very much.
Wayne Coste, PE • May 8, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Mr. Kust
You stated above, “But I can’t help but be vehemently opposed to everything this organization stands for.” That says a lot.
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) is a non-profit organization of more than 1,600 architectural and engineering professionals who believe that the laws of physics apply every day. Our architect and engineer petition signers have been verified and vetted. As part of the process they have made statements that they have examined the destruction of the three World Trade Center high-rises on 9/11 and they agree with comprehensive scientific evidence that clearly indicates that the destruction of the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 was not adequately explained by the official theories outlined in the 2002 FEMA and 2005/2008 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) reports. These technical and building professionals are calling for a new, fully funded, truly independent and unimpeachable investigation. We maintain an exclusive focus on these three skyscrapers and do not address areas outside of our expertise such as motives.
Because AE911Truth insists, only, that the laws of physics applies every day, what specifically are you “vehemently opposed” to? By the way, I am a licensed professional engineer.
Mick McCrohon • May 11, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Hear,hear .